PC Upgrading

So I have a Job now, well until may, It's a very small job with low-income. I'll have around $800 Canadian by May. I want to do a PC Upgrade since I found out it will absolutely be doable within the budget, or well mostly.

I currently am having issues with my now 5 year old CPU, initially when I'd purchased it back in 2011 I wasn't thinking BeamNG would exist .

My current build
- GTX 770 2gb EVGA ACX cooler SuperClock
- 16GB [4x4gb] 1600mhz DDR3 Gskill Ripjaw
- I5 3570K OC'ed @ 4.3GHz (Cooler Master Hyper T2 - It works for the job)
- EVGA GQ 650Watt Modular PSU
- MSI crap board (G51 Z77?)

My within reason build
- Current GPU
- Current Ram
- I7 4790K "Devil's Canyon" 4Ghz (4.4GHz turbo) http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117369
- Asus Z97 USB3.1 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132512&cm_re=LGA_1150-_-13-132-512-_-Product
- Case? [I want a full ATX case if possible, I might be able to go a touch over budget hopefully]

About how much a difference would I get out of this.

I want to play Beam with more going on at once, be able to use Xsplit in the background just for minimal streaming as an input on skype [about 11% CPU usage average on my system right now] and play GTA V and such with little impact from it.


I hear my I5 is one of the worse options these days to run in modern systems.

 

What? The 3570K is still a great CPU.
It was also released in Q2 2012, so there's no way you bought one in 2011, and it's at most 3.5 years old.
Anyway.
A 3570K @4.3GHz is perfectly fine for gaming, even BeamNG. Motherboard is decent. You have more than enough RAM. The bottleneck in your system is the GPU.

Just stick a 980Ti in it, you'll get like 200% better performance without a CPU bottleneck.

 

I can only run about 2 cars in Beam before I get a CPU buttleneck. Plus my Case and Motherboard are in need of replacement as is. I cannot run a simple session of GTA V and have anything, even tiny programs in the background without running into CPU Overhead issues causing problems.

I am a heavy multitask-er and this simply doesn't do anymore.

My system is also running into consistent stability issues, and the motherboard might be the culprit the Ram is fine, the GPU is questionable but will work for the time being until I can gather the funds from another future job to get a massive GPU upgrade effectively running the system I long for in the summer.





BeamNG and my CPU often only get about 60% usage out of my GPU, how does that even begin to scream reasonable for you?

The hyper-threading of an I7 is what I need for all the tasks I often do.

 

Do a clean os install. If you have CPU issues with an overclocked 3570K you're doing something very wrong.

 

I think I've settled on a slightly expensive case being this epic beast... I cannot and will not go through the crap that is a budget case again it just isn't worth it, all it does is cause frustration and restriction on everything involved with touching your personal beast. [Slightly over budget but I should be able to work something out]


http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352035


Fractal Design Arc XL




I want this case because I want to have a case that won't look like a 15 year old peice of scrap metal after less than 4 years.



The OS is a pretty good suspect, but again I'd be better off completely buying new parts since I could really use a fresh build after the horrors my current build has been through.

The CPU isn't the issue the problems occurred prior to overclocking and even minimal system damage my components went through.

You cannot tell me that the I5-3570K is worth keeping, it's the worst for the money in modern day.. the I7 I want is justified agian because I want to do light recording @ High quality, BeamNG with major muti-tasking in the background, and other games with very minor stuff going on.

I need a new Motherborad, I knew this long ago, things are just not quite right with my current one it's that simple. and why replace that when I need a new case, why replace both when I could buy a better motherboard and case and just buy a new CPU to solve the other issues.

I don't want to deal with the crap anymore, my system needs rejuvenation in the form of throwing money at it.. there is just no other solution anymore.















Sorry I was wrong.. I ment I bought the CPU, Motherboard, 1/2 ram, Case, and other no longer relevant parts that I no longer use such as long gone PSUs in summer of 2012.






Edit: Old case

Rosewell Challenger. It was on a special promotional sale for $45-50 at the time, now it's $70




My reasons for hating this case with a passion.

-Cable management behind motherboard isn't wide enough for a single cable
-The case is reduced to a shell of it's former self after only 4 years
-Awful case feet on the bottom
-Nothing Luxurious about it.
-I/O on the front is literally garbage, both audio ports are broken even though I've moved on from internal audio soloutions and bought a dac/adc [USB interface with XLR Mic and Audiophile Headphones]
-Almost no extra space after you put your hands inside the case
-Expansion cages get caught on them selves and the metal mesh you remove for them can cut you and bends after removal making them useless
-Dust Filter on front was such a hassle I just teared it out.
-Harddrive bays have no room for cables on the backside
-Wouldn't recommend to the dead
-I/O fell out simple from open and closing front panel too much over the last month to replace a CD drive which I'd really never want to do again with this case
-Front panel now isn't good for getting leverage on case when lifting, makes sounds as if it will fall off and make the computer land on the floor when simply moving it 2ft across the floor to get work done on it
-Did I mention this case is an awful experience to use, plus I have slightly above average hand size.


Current case state


Keeping in mind I do keep my electronics fairly pristine.. I am moving rooms tomorrow so I'll have nearly twice the space to keep all my clutter.

 

As for cases, check out the Sharkoon VG4-V. Just a hint.

I don't know why your CPU should get so bad performance though, are you totally sure your software is up to date? Also, do what BlueScreen tells you. He's very rarely wrong about PC hard- and software. </fawning>

 

I understand his knowledge is great, but that still doesn't justify how I need to replace my motherboard and case as is, and why do that when you can pay a little more and also pack some extra power under the system to last a handful of years to come from here on out.

As for the case I'm no fan of the over geometric look you see on half the gaming oriented cases out there, I love the fractal design arc XL for it's beauty in simplicity and luxurious features that would last me years to come. I also prefer the I/O such as power and USBs to be on the top as it's far less a mess to deal with the chassis in general. I'm not saying you've given me a back case, I just wouldn't be satisfied with it, but I'm a bit picky.

 

So, get a new case and GPU. If the motherboard is working, it's fine, it doesn't affect performance.

It's not worth buying now, it is worth keeping. The performance gain from a Haswell CPU is not worth the cost. And you don't need an i7 for any of that. For recording, you have a Nvidia card, use shadowplay.

If you insist on getting an i7, go for it, have fun with your massive GPU bottleneck. I suggest you do a clean os install and buy a better graphics card instead.

A 3570K will never bottleneck a GTX770 in games. I have a 4690K @4.4GHz, performance is about 10% better. CPU load when gaming is ~30%, even in BeamNG it takes 4-6 cars to reach 100%. I never had a CPU bottleneck, and I have a GTX 970 which is much more powerful than the 770.

 

Yup, makes sense. Don't know if you need an i7 though. What do you do with your PC normally?

 

Something about his cpu or motherboard is messed up... Also he cannot do what he usually tries to do at once- blender, beam, notepad++, another game, a browser, puush, skype... etc. My cpu can handle everything i throw at it fine because my gpu bottlenecks it first, but i have a i7 5820k with a gtx 750 ti.. quite an odd combo.

 

Outside of beam the muti threading would drastically improve my usual activities... right now freaking puush is cause cpu performance issues when it often hits 10% usage... xsplit which I use to stream live video of my stuff over Skype smoothly overwells my system even though it's not even close to twice streaming or recording it's just not very well optimized but skype fucked dxtory directshow...

And when u do record my cpu sucks at working with file compression in muti tasking which I need for my current setup...


It's not the gaming performance it's the system performance in muti tasking I am looking for... it's getting in the way of workflow all the time.


I am far from the average gaming user... I'm always doing many things at once... look at dummiesman he has 32gb ram for freaks sakes.

Have I really not done enough to justify an i7... I said I might have a summer job too and I'll most likely get a new GPU then to truly have a fresh system outside of ram and my 5 day old power supply


Even though I might need another new psu then heh heh oops

The i7 also has 20+% more single core performance along with the left over threads for important tasks... the I5 did me good buts it's downright frustrating to do content creation on my hardware


P.S. I hate shadowplay because I hate GeForce expirence it's done nothing of use for me.


What should I do save $1700 for a build that uses the I7 5820k 6 core? Seriously when I do get a decent job I'll have a few years to just save up tons of spending cash..
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For now I'll buy this and wait for whatever Nvidia comes out with next and buy whatever GPU they make thatll be equal to their current 970 of right now. Assuming Nvidia can deliver agian, they are kind of a scumbag of a company at times.

I can go absaloutly crazy later on when that is obsolete.

 

That's quite an odd combo indeed. Have you thought about buying a GTX970 or 980Ti so your graphics card won't bottleneck you so much?

Nah, I'd get the 4790K then. It has two cores more, but I heard that its single thread performance is worse. As for PSU, go to powersupplycalculator.com. Assuming you don't have DDR4 RAM it's quite accurate. 650W would be plausible though.

 

If you absolutely have to run everything at once, and you don't care about gaming performance, get an i7.
If that's the case, you might want to get a 5820K instead if you can afford it.

IMHO it's a better idea to close shit when you don't use it and spend the money on something actually worth replacing instead, but that's your choice.

 

Please revise you've mixed up cpu I am going for the quad core i7 4790k. Or well you've broken the wording enough to be confusing and lacking in context

 

5820K beats the 4790K in almost every way, X99 CPUs often overclock very well so you can easily match the ST performance of a 4790K.

 

I'm not one of those guys who thinks an i7 is nessasary for gaming but it would improve my workflow if I could have alot more things running with more than just a more powerful I5 but a more future proof i7 with everything I need for another 2 years at least

It's not even a whole lot more money...

That's the thing I use all of what I have open 95% of the time and the cpu cannot keep up.

Also I'm pretty sure you can tell what is wrong with the case.

The motherboard which I have yet to explain. .. well for starters I've seen a capacitor from it on the bottom of my case don't even know how it still functions

 

i advise against the 980ti. i advise against any kind of upgrade. we are less than 6 months away from hardware thats twice as fast. by the summer you will be able to buy a card that's twice as strong as a 980ti for the same or less money.

 

Oh well, I think I really mixed a few things up. Or the forum post that I quoted (don' remember which) was wrong.

I didn't know that. Or at least I forgot about it.
EDIT: I didn't find any source saying something other than 2016. So, I think as long as one has the money together in the next few months, he should get cards of the GTX900 series before the spare money is gone. If you have your PC a few months earlier, that's a bigger advantage I think. @Slayersen should probably wait then, because man, you said that you won't have the money together too soon anyway.

 

Pascal won't be twice as fast. GPU performance gap might be similar to Kepler-Maxwell. The big difference will be HBM which isn't that impressive anyway.

 

if you need the extra juice than by all means. i spent 300 us on a 290x a few months back because i needed a hold over card until i build something fierce this summer. im torn between a wheel and pedal setup with a nice shifter, or go fast parts for my car.
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we have been on 28 NM for years now. these cards are 14 nm and if they are not twice as fast, they will be damn close. it not going to be a 40 percent increase its going to be above 90.