Outdated WentWard Bus Type-D (Rear Engine) 7

There's a manual for the front engine bus, so I'd assume it wouldn't be difficult to port over to this bus.

 

Hey, can you spot a bus?
Pic by: BeamNG Dev

 

Nice, now we have more buses in the game

 

There

 

Do you think that you could try to make a generic schoolbus now that uses the Wentward name and frame?

 

So basically a skin and some seat models?

 

No, I'm talking about a completely new bus that is built off of the Wentward frame.

 

well that's no offense, a shit idea. this guy has put so much work into this bus and if he listens to this idea, effectively he'll have to start ALL over again.

 

But, why?

 

This mod is already released so this thread serves no purpose. Why is it still here?

 

I think you mean based on the Wentward jbeam? the frame for the wentward is for a city bus style vehicle and wouldn't work for a school bus. I do however plan to update my body jbeam to the jbeam structure of the Wentward since it is far superior. Currently I update the buses from time to time but I don't see myself making a full new vehicle for some time, I'm going to focus on making modifications/additions to official vehicles

 

I think he means another school bus with the wentward frame.

 

Yes, I believe he meant this too but that still wouldn't make sense. School buses are shaped entirely differently then city buses.

 

then a bat bus instead.

 

I decided to give it a few tests lately
Here are my conclusions:
Rear axle/Rear wheels explode at 600kph
Front axle/Front wheels explode at 800kph

Safety rating: C - cannot reach the speed of sound in a safe way

 

It' s a nice bus, but the sterring goes to zigzag, and i lose the control of the vehicle easly, the body is too soft and the bumpers and windshield are too weak.(these are not glitches)
Also, can you add an prison or derby bus?
For this reason i gave you 4 stars, but it's a beautiful mod. Good job.

 

Also, the front suspension is really stiff so the front bounces up a lot when you hit a bump.

 

ThreeDTech21 updated Dansworth D2500 (Type-D) Rear Engine Bus with a new update entry:

Comprehensive Update Hotfix

Read the rest of this update entry...

 

Some people who've not worked on one, won't know, but anyone who's worked on a New Flyer (like what the city bus is), or a Bluebird or Thomas body school bus will entirely know they're two entirely different things. I know YOU obviously know, but for clarification on this two-week old (or slightly more) question...
Differences:
A school bus is closer to a truck frame with it's large C-channel chassis where-as a city bus is completely clean-sheet from the ground up to be a low-floor vehicle easy to enter and exit with minimal time and effort, seating the most (varies by configuration).
A school bus may have it's engine in the front (classic style) or in the rear (snub-nose), depending on the manufacturer and the chassis chosen. Mechanics aren't fond of snub-nose busses and partially why not all districts continued to re-purchase/replace the snub-nose ones aging out with new models, in-stead going with the standard front-engine design.
Both Snub-nose school buses and city buses are rear-engine, rear-wheel drive vehicle, in this case the weight is concentrated over the rear wheels and aids in traction in inclemate weather.
A standard school bus usually uses 4707 Q+ brake shoes common to trucks, and 20,000 ~ 23,000 pound-rated lining, where-as a city bus like a New Flyer has custom brake-shoes (at-least 23,000 pound rated) that have to be re-lined individually by the shop, has much larger pads for it's constant stop-and-go every/every other block (vs a school bus yes very constant), the New Flyer shoes are very heavy (40~50 pounds?) where-as the school bus Q+ shoes I don't think top 25lbs for a single brake-shoe. The New-Flyer shoes also have about 200% the surface-area per brake shoe VS a school bus. Don't even get started on the brake drums - I wouldn't ever want to lift a New Flyer brake drum (150lbs+). I used to sell both of these brakes, so yes, I know quite a bit about this here. Front brakes on both vehicles are smaller than the rear brakes, but a rough comparison is the front brakes on a city bus are almost as big as the rear brakes on a school bus, in comparison of surface area. The brake shoes on a New Flyer have to have the bushings re-tapped on each re-lining job, where-as you use a standard Q+ spring kit for the School Buses (for the rear, fronts on School buses have a different, but still standard spring kit).
The suspension of a city bus lowers when passengers enter or exit, this is known as a 'kneeling' bus and is why you hear the beep beep real fast, high pitched chirping when they stop at - or get ready to leave - the bus stop, letting people know the bus is lowering or raising (due to insurance!). School buses don't do this.
City buses have circuitry and LED displays on at-least the front (Sometimes the back too but that's more rare) to display what route or what next stop it's on (or both, changing periodically). School buses do not do this.
School buses are much more top-heavy than a city bus, by design (when comparing the modern school bus to a MODERN city bus, important), but both vehicles have had extensive center-of-gravity lowering implemented over the years to make them safer.
City buses aren't necessarily geared the best for highways as gearing is a little lower, but this is able to be specified by the customer, where-as school buses generally are meant for a wider range of speeds, especially important in rural areas where speed-limits are higher, and space between stops is further.
Even brakes on dump trucks (regular sized ones with up to 3 rear axles) that haul wet fill or stone out of quarries/ for highway projects don't get larger brake shoes than city buses, though the lining rating may be the same on extreme-rated dump truck shoes (rarely higher, but some folks who own their rig like that, it doesn't fade a lot).
Parts for school buses (chassis, engine, so-forth) may be more readily available with the exception of the engine in the city bus, which is usually manufactured by a major diesel engine company, the school bus body and much of the city bus parts have to be ordered through the manufacturer for obvious reasons.
Both vehicles are engineered to be very safe for passengers, for quite obvious reasons, no one seems to want to get hamburgered / turned into kitty-kibble in an accident.
Since 2011~2012 you can get hybrid buses for City Bus applications, normally the batteries are on the roof, discernable by a large long bulge on the roof-line, since there's no space in the undercarriage.
City buses come in a variety of seating configurations, where-as most school buses share a common well-used seating configuration that's been the same for decades, largely.
While I used NEW FLYER for the 'city bus' demonstration per sake of argument, they aren't the only city bus manufacturer. However, when you order one, New Flyer assembles the entire vehicle and ships it to the consumer. A school bus from say 'Thomas' bus body corporation would have the chassis & engine come from say, International (who manufactures commercial trucks), it's then delivered to the bus body / coach company. Then the body is built & placed on the truck/bus chassis by Thomas (or BlueBird bus company as an alternative), and then it's delivered to the customer (this is similar to RV's and some commercial tour buses).

So other than they have wheels/tires/steering wheel/lights/passengers in them, that's about where the similarities end. Sure they're both a bus, but there's almost no common parts between these two beasts sans a light-bulb or switch on the driver's console. In-fact, your average construction / delivery Flat-bed or Box-truck has more in common with a School Bus than a City Bus does (even if it's only the brakes, engine, the rears, chassis, and so-forth).
I just merely touched the surface on things I know about, and the information should be largely correct as a whole but may contain minor discrepancies.

I hope this clears some things up. There's loads more differences, I could slow down the internet if I wrote them all, so again, the above is just the tip of the iceberg.
Qualifications:
I grew up working on trucks and was helping my late father at his business, pulling parts off and installing them before I could ever drive even a golf-cart. I got my first 'Air brake certification' at 19. I also sold truck parts later on including brakes and various lights / chassis equipment when working for a truck brake and chassis shop later on for several years for both School & City buses and all shapes/sizes of trucks. I have limited experience driving / moving class a&b (air-brake) vehicles around but I have done so on private land for business purposes too many times to mention.
--Cheers!

 

Excellent guide! You know a lot about busses I want to add you to my test team when I make one, I’ll send you a request, that kind of info is golden.

Do you know if the mid ship engine bus has any popularity or did they discontinue that, I was thinking of making one. The mid ship has the engine placed near the front just behind or under the driver