Update Speculation thread

I don't doubt a BX would be less well equipped than a Mercedes sedan, but to say it's on par with a Hyundai Sonata seems an exaggeration when you consider Citroen's focus on comfortable cars. Plus, on most crappy European country/city roads, there is no doubt the BX would beat just about any conventional steel spring equipped car.

Also, how exactly were diesels niche in early 90s Britain? Most European cars already had diesel options at the time, and they were getting very popular. That whole Top Gear video is about them.

 

That's not my words, that's an ADAC test result.

And numerous steel-sprung cars were well ahead of the BX in the aspect I mentioned.

 

Considering how Autobello Picollina was a mix of several different and at the same time similar cars and still being pretty believable car I'd like the devs to continue with this way of creating new cars. Thinking of fulfilling the missing types and countries and applying the aforementioned logic I would suggest something like this:

1) Mid 90s to mid 2000s French minivan. As every French made car it should be as quirky as possible. Take the looks of 3rd or 4th gen Renault Espace, mix it with random minivans of the time like the exteriors of 1st gen VW Sharan/SEAT Alhambra, Peugeot 806 and Kia Carnival and interior of 3rd gen Honda Odyssey or something like that. And then make it mid-engined, AWD and supercharged. Some of you probably guessed where that's coming from. It may be a top of the line variant for example. Oh, and also as an Easter Egg it should have variant based on that F1 powered Renault Espace.

2) Modern (from mid 2000s until today) Swedish small to medium SUV/crossover. I imagine it to be similar to 1st gen Volvo XC60 mixed with 2nd or 3rd gen Hyundai Santa Fe, 2nd gen Ford Kuga and interior similar to Porsche Macan. Base model should be FWD only with turbo i3 and go up to twin-turbo V6 or NA V8 and of course AWD. And probably a hybrid or even full electric version of this car.

3) Cab-over truck. We already have classic American conventional truck, so as much as I like American cabovers the modern European one is preferable. Just a mix of modern Scania, MAN, Mercedes, Renault, Iveco and Volvo should do. But to be a little bit different it should use Tatra chassis. That also gives the ability to make almost unlimited number of upfits for it. For the engines I would go for something similar to what Tatra offers for their 815 model. There's definetely something to choose from.

4) Eastern block "people's car" from mid 70s to mid 80s. All the VAZ classics/Fiat 125p combined with Izh 412 (or even AZLK), add a bit of Škoda 105 and Dacia 1300. It could be rear-engined air-cooled like some Škodas or ZAZ, although it might be too much of work. SOHC 55-80hp (depending on trim) engines should do. No matter what year or trim the car is, rear drum brakes, 4-speed manual and RWD are mandatory. For the body styles: 4-door sedan, station wagon and a 2-door coupe (it can be labeled as Autobello). Other variant to consider: rally version based on some rally Škodas or VFTS Ladas.

5) While writing previous suggestion I thought that even Piccolina can have a Soviet-built twin brother. Like ZAZ 965 and Fiat 600. Just have it as a selectable variant with mildly lifted heavy duty suspension and off-road threaded tires. Also less chrome, more unpainted plastic, mud flaps and single coloured (preferably either very light blue or that annoying green that a lot of AZLKs were painted) body.

6) 50s to early 60s body-on-frame British luxury car. Something like Jaguar Mark X mixed with Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud. 3.8-4.9 litre inline-6 or 5 litre V8 coupled with 4-speed automatic transmission will fit this type of vehicle. And for the veriants I'd go with long-wheel-base and short-wheel-base versions where the LWB version uses V8 exclusively while SWB version have different trims with different i6 engines. And also a rally version similar to those of Jaguar Mark 2.



It would be cool to see one of those at least being considered by devs some day.

Also you might notice there's no American cars in my suggestion list. The reason is we have so many of them already I don't think we ever need another one (apart from Wendover - I genuinly like that thing). We also have a lot of Japanese cars, so I think it's fair to add at least one European car. Also considering that every European country has it's own way of doing cars it makes perfect sense to me to add at least one new manufacturer from another country to BeamNG's list.

 

What about the Corvair? It would be an interesting addition. It was air cooled, had a flat 6, 4 corner IRS.... We also have no swing axles to my knowledge, so it would be a good demonstration of the game’s physics.

Also, y’know, Ralph Nader.

 

Yes I know the Pessima kind of fits in this category, but how about a late 90s-mid 00s American midsize car? Something with a big (3.5-4.0) V6 and supercharger options, automatic only, FWD, coupe or sedan. Similar to a Pontiac Grand Prix, Buick Regal, or Dodge Intrepid.

 

"As every French made car it should be as quirky as possible"
If you think that's what French cars are, you gotta check stuff like Peugeots, Renaults or even Simcas. As interesting as white bread.

" I imagine it to be similar to 1st gen Volvo XC60 mixed with 2nd or 3rd gen Hyundai Santa Fe, 2nd gen Ford Kuga and interior similar to Porsche Macan. Base model should be FWD only with turbo i3 and go up to twin-turbo V6 or NA V8 and of course AWD. And probably a hybrid or even full electric version of this car."
That's a lot of various things to mix, and a very broad powertrain range.

" Eastern block "people's car" from mid 70s to mid 80s. All the VAZ classics/Fiat 125p combined with Izh 412 (or even AZLK), add a bit of Škoda 105 and Dacia 1300.."
The Skodas or Dacias were significantly different from Ladas or FSOs.

"While writing previous suggestion I thought that even Piccolina can have a Soviet-built twin brother. Like ZAZ 965 and Fiat 600. Just have it as a selectable variant with mildly lifted heavy duty suspension and off-road threaded tires. Also less chrome, more unpainted plastic, mud flaps and single coloured (preferably either very light blue or that annoying green that a lot of AZLKs were painted) body."
Basically the only 600/965 connection was styling. And usually a lot was cheapened during the "communisation" of a car.

"50s to early 60s body-on-frame British luxury car. Something like Jaguar Mark X mixed with Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud. 3.8-4.9 litre inline-6 or 5 litre V8 coupled with 4-speed automatic transmission will fit this type of vehicle. And for the veriants I'd go with long-wheel-base and short-wheel-base versions where the LWB version uses V8 exclusively while SWB version have different trims with different i6 engines. And also a rally version similar to those of Jaguar Mark 2."
The Rolls and Jag were polar opposites - one an old-fashioned cruiser, the other a sleek, all-new sports sedan. Also, pretty much the only difference in those old British saloons' SWB and LWB versions was the wheelbase.

 

We want stereotypes. French cars were weird, very weird, specially on the high end segment of the market. Thats what everyone wants, something based on the stereotypes we have about french cars. Underpowered, floaty, odd looking but incredibly sleek. (See Citroen SM), with horrible reliability.

So? we mix them together to make the communist car to end all communist cars. Rear engine like some Skodas, With the square angles of a Lada, and the reliability of a Trabant, hell, make it an SUV too, like the Niva.

Agreed, however mixing them together and tossing some Rover into the mix should make some interesting cars.

 

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Saying we "never" need another American car is extreme. Like, really extreme. America always has had a huge automotive industry, so there's a lot to chose from and a lot of important niches to consider. Which means it makes sense to have a high proportion of American cars. We don't even have much variety in the American vehicles we do have to be honest. 5/11 of the ones we have are trucks (all but 1 of which are 1990's) with 4 of the remaining ones being medium/large family sedans with 1 malaise era coupe and 1 pony car. Considering how diverse American cars are, that's nothing. No pre-war cars, no classic vans/pickups/SUVs, no mopar muscle, nothing modern at all, no sports cars, no compacts, etc...

I'm not saying we need another American car soon though. Personally I would like to see at least 2 new countries introduced before anything more from the USA. But IMO there's plenty of room for more USA cars after we get a little foreign diversity.

While I'm on the topic of what I want to see, I'm just gonna put a reminder that we really need more drivetrain diversity. It's actively annoying that we have almost nothing weird in terms of drivetrains in a physics simulator. Almost everything we have is a i4, i6, or V8, with only a couple of exceptions. No FWD V8, no Corvair style rear suspension, no unusual engine blocks...

 

I would really love to see an uber luxury car. It doesn’t matter where it’s from or when it was built.

 

When I want stereotypes and only the usual "highlights", I play Forza or even GTA. Beam is supposed to show archetypes as they are.

Ah, the weirdness of a mundane family hatchback.

We're talking about a realistic game, not "I read a few Wikipedia pages about communist cars".

 

This is the update speculation thread, not the "American car bad, European car good" thread

 

For once I can agree.

The instant someone tries to say that specific output is important in the abstract, I completely stop taking them seriously. You know who you are.

 

Has anyone that lives in the US visited the sema Atturo tires booth? I saw on twitter that they were having some sort of offroading challenge.

 

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people discussing what cars they should add, may I direct your attention to a lovely thread that yellowrusty made, and it seems to be getting a bit buried: https://beamng.com/threads/which-ve...or-a-second-round-of-promised-releases.66236/

on the topic of the sema booth, I saw in one picture they posted there's a cool visualisation of the new hopper with the body separated from the chassis:

 

Atturo had gameplay of the new hopper on their Instagram story a couple days ago. Forgot to share it as I've been busy with exams, and because it's a story it disappeared after 24hrs

 

The most important american car missing is a mid to high end sportscar thats still somewhat affordable for example a firebird a Corvette or even a viper, id also want to see a prewar us car with a modern and a contemporary hot rod variant... But i mainly want a Japanese high end sports car akin to supra, rx7, nsx... Maybe an older sbr4 or its possible ibishu competitor then

 

To everyone saying pre war cars im telling you, no.
As much as you say you would use it, you wont, and in the long term it would turn into a LeGran, that no one even remembers is in game.

 

But Pre-War Cars Are Biggest Area Still Uncovered!

 

no one would use them, with the exception of the Drag Version. It would be a waste of developer resources to develop a car that is not only hard to model but that no one would use. I still remember they had a hard time making the Burnside, and prewar cars are even worse.