Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon a 2 door and 4 door frame are essentially the same frame. The wagon frame is slightly different in the rear, but all would weigh close to the same. the real weight differences from 2 to 4 door are the extra doors(obviously) and the pillars that support them(along with a little added sheetmetal). Like i mentioned, believe it or not a lot of weight comes from the roof of the wagons. The sheetmetal is thicker and layered differently to provide extra support during a rollover. You also have cargo areas, flip up seats, etc for wagons...i'll see if i cant find you a curbweight of a 74 gm wagon real quick. According to wikipedia(use your own judgement) a buick estate wagon's curbweight is 5,100–5,400 lbs. I know a fullsize buick of the same year outweighs a fullsize impala, so the more "luxurious" buick probably has a little added weight. I also know for derby purposes, they are generally more sought after because of how the rears are set up(most came with stock towing packages with heavier springs, "hump plates", and a few extra suspension options. Either way you are doing a great job, can't wait to play with the finished product
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon Thanks! Sure. Did some crashtesting. It looks like the chassis takes all the beating. The left side of the car was not yet finished (I intend to make one side as good as possible, then copy it), it was not yet perfect. Made some screenshots, a bit to many to put them here, so they can be found at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3kp77olw4jbtqes/AAALAQ4aTwwB3OHX8XoFs8K4a - frontal collision with a wall at 75-80 MPH - rear collision with a wall at 45 MPH - frontal offset collission at 45 MPH - dropped another Moonhawk (coupe) on it from around 5m (two times) -T-boned it with another Moonhawk (coupe) at around 60MPH I added one row of nodes in the floor, one in the roof. Each b-pillar consists of 3 layers, each having two nodes (like the GM). Disabled two nodes at each rear quarterpanel and moved many nodes and beams around. The front and rear doors are a slightly modded copy of the original. --- And made a rollcage for the coupe. Took the hatch one and modified it. I think the addons look great Maybe some sidepipes will be great as well.
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon So how long until it will be done, not to rush you. Also this will be my favorite mod
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon WOW. this mod is looking amazing! also, A worklog could be a nice thing to post(what you have done and how much is left) because it gives people a reference to how much time this mod has had, and needs
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon I don't think that's common practice lol - - - Updated - - - I don't think that's common practice lol I like the pics but I hate that it always goes down in the ass
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon Totally diggin' the cop cars and the coupe street mods. They do total justice to this car. Removing the hideous bumpers alone is good but what you're doing here looks really nice and completely believable. Thanks for the crash test pics. I have been annoyed since day one with how the Moonhawk roof responds to t-bone collisions.
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon I don't know much about frames and all that technical stuff.
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon Generally, especially on cars that just have subframes, which means they don't run the full length of the car, they are the same for coupes, sedans, and wagons. The only difference with full frame cars is that they run the full length of the car so that they are longer. The strength rarely changes with same model, different body style. I hope this makes sense. That being said, a derby version with a beefed up frame would leave me tickled pink.
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon I intend to include hump plates (thanks to monster), and shut welded doors. Also a rollcage for the sedan and station, and front and rear pushbars. But I don't know if they are allowed in a derby Edit; and maybe extensions of the rollcage to the suspension hardpoints. But I'm not sure if that's causes a large effect on a body-on-frame car.
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon When I go to demo derbies at my county fair I see different classes including vans, pickups, sedans, small sedans and hatch backs, sometimes you would see a bel air in them. I think there should be a demolition derby station wagon
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon Take your time, you don't need all the details right away
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon Push bars, no, but don't forget to weld those bumpers on, and maybe beef them up a little too. You're my freaking hero. Just wanted you to know that
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon I agree the Nomad was a great car you should go with this idea
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon Got a bit further on the station mesh, the rear end of a roundback is really difficult to recreate. Also made the mesh for the sidepipes, it looks better than expected. Tried to make a racing slicks version of the slotted mags (thickened the tires, changed the texture of the thread and sidewalls) but I'm afraid changing the jbeam tire values is, like the suspension values, a little too difficult for me to get right atm. Should be studying for my resits, this is way too much fun You know that Nomad was from the late 50's right? I'm trying to make a blend between a GM roundback (Chevy Caprice 1977) and a 1977 Dodge Coronet, with some 1977 Malibu Wagon looking parts (e.g. tailights are in rear bumper) A shooting brake could be possible, but not in the near future.
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon Oh and as long as you're welding body seams together, you might as well weld the trunk and hood on too
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon ... and something like this as exhaust? I'm not sure if I add nodes to the rollcage, or if I just add and strengthen existing beams, like in the hatch.
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon You're getting there. I prefer the ones that come out at a 45 degree angle pointed right at the crowd in the grandstands, but that's looking good man. Haha, pretty soon you'll have to start learning how to canoe the trunk, but I like what you're doing. You're satisfying so many wants of mine. Keep up the great work. You could always do a really simple roll bar. See the stacks and the roll bar that connects directly to the frame and angles out the window, over the roof. http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9635/36461015193653826530111.jpg stupid phone, can't figure out how to make this an image on this piece of crap lol Also, can possibly get custom sounds for the idle and Rev of the derby versions of you're interested I've got a few sound files, hehe
Re: Bruckell Moonhawk Sedan & Station wagon You're doing a fantastic job on this. I haven't been this exited for Beamng since it came out. I do have one request on the coupe... a late 70's style Winston Cup car. I attached a couple of pics. I'd even consider getting back into skin creation like in the Nascar Racing series days.
