Update Speculation thread

Yep, the Mazda Eunos Cosmo had a 3-rotor engine

 

Damn I didn't knew it had a rotary but ok.
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Covet will lost his gf after he will see rotary boi

 

yeah according to wikipedia it had some I4's but also had a 13B rotary and 12A/12A turbo rotary engines

 

Covet! You're in danger!

 

I mean historically there has been no company to ever make/offer both Boxers and Wankels. I think a new Japanese brand would be the best for the Wankels to make it the 'Rotary' brand. Hirochi already has Boxers and the single reason it's still offering Inline engines is because the person who wants it to be the Boxer brand wasn't part of BeamNG at the time. End of story. ;-P

 

I don't think we should see a third Japanese brand unless it's an Ibishu luxury marque or one which focuses on things other than passenger cars. Ibishu covers the big three (Honda/Toyota/Nissan) and Hirochi covers the smaller ones (Subaru/Mazda/Mitsubishu/Suzuki?). Even most Japanese trucks could probably fit under one of them reasonably well. Adding a third passenger car brand would just spread things rather thin, especially when neither Hirochi or Ibishu are as developed as Gavril/Burnside (at this rate Bruckell as well pretty soon)

 

i agree but if we do get a new japanese car it's gotta be a hirochi, because ibishu has, what 8 cars?

 

True this one. It could be a luxury subsidiary of one of the two Japanese brands (probably Ibishu is the best candidate for this because none of its models are luxury cars and because Hirochi has the SBR4, which is both luxurious and expensive) or some small, weird and unheard nameplate (like Eunos, Efini, Xedos and Amati were).
As for Japanese trucks, we've talked about this in the past and we concluded that both Ibishu and Hirochi could very well make small Pick-Up Trucks (talking about the size of the Toyota Hilux), with Ibishu being the traditional one (having Inline-4s and V6s) and Hirochi being the exciting one (with Flat-4s/-6s, Boxer Diesels and some hardcore off-road variants, with the fitting equipment). Not only that but there could also exist some SUV models based on the Pick-Ups' ladder frames and using the same Inline/V/Flat powertrains, just like what the Roamer is to the D-Series.
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If it's an ETK, then the existing Turbocharged Inline-6s (both gas and diesel) are good for base engines. Also, the 8-Speed Torque Converter Automatic Gearboxes are well suited to the ETK engines so there's no point in changing them for lesser 7-Speed units.
Modern European V8s and V12s are truly missing from BeamNG and AWD would be a good fit for them.
AWS is also missing from modern BeamNG cars, so it's also a good candidate for an F-Segment Luxury Sedan, especially for the versions with the Long bodies for extra rear legroom.

 

So? Honestly, i understand why you'd want in-game brands to reflect IRL brands, but they simply don't need to. Ibishu can be the "normal" brand mass-producing a variety of cars while Hirochi can be the sporty brand making fewer models with exotic engines

 

Considering how rare both boxers and wankels are, I think the sample size is just too small to make any conclusions about a fictional company using both. Besides, being that wankels have been out of fashion for awhile now there wouldn't be much, if any, overlap in production years. Maybe Hirochi use to like rotarys but now uses boxers...

 

It's true, Hirochi can be that type of brand with sporty vehicles with special/exotic engines but I'm still not convinced in how it could make both Boxers and Wankels, especially since Boxers are already what we've been knowing the brand for, with the SBR4. That's why I say the Boxers become Hirochi's staple across its entire lineup. I don't necessarily say BeamNG brands should resemble real-life brands (the nature of BeamNG is such that they kinda do this already anyway), it's just that I want a clearer brand identity for Hirochi. That's also why I think a third, smaller Japanese brand could be the sporty Rotary brand and it could also be a subsidiary of one of the two larger Japanese brands (because that's how the Japanese were doing it back in the days of their economic bubble), preferably Ibishu since it's the least interesting of the Japanese duo!
Also, don't forget we already have 4 American car brands and two of them are subsidiaries (Burnside for Gavril, Soliad for Bruckell). Not to mention the bus company (Wentward) and the truck trailer company (Randolph)!

 

If there would be a Rotary engine within BeamNG I feel it would likely be an Ibishu or subsidiary of Ibishu, if Hirochi does the boxers, why wouldn't Ibishu do rotaries.

 

why are we all hung up on specifically mazda wankels?
ETK is known to have some audi inspiration, as does cherrier, specifically in its engines, so both of those could concievably be given an older model with an NSU style wankel.

 

It doesn't even need to be an older model, Audi did toss a wankel into the 2010 A1 e-tron concept... For some reason...

Between the Sunburst and the Vivace this wouldn't be the most unique option, but I felt the need to mention it anyway.

Now I need to figure out some way to use this to justify suggesting a wankel Cherrier Audi TT...

 

And why wouldn't both have normal engines, except for top trim / sports vehicles ?

I explain :

The SBR4 is for example what we could consider as a sport car, so it make sense to put a flat4 inside of it. The base configuration of the Sunburst is clearly not, and it wouldn't be logical to make it motorized by a flat4 when an I4 does the job, except if you want to simply copy Subaru...

For Ibishu, I think that some cars could have a Wankel, like the 200BX, or the Miramar, but the rest of the cars could stay with "normal" engines !

And then, we could also imagine something French/German from the 70s, which has a Wankel available

 

The Base configuration of the Sunburst clearly isn't set up for performance, so only this version can use the 1.8 Inline-4 with the optional CVT. But for the versions above it there's the basic 2.5 NA Flat-4 of the SBR4 Base (with 209hp/260Nm), the Twin-Turbocharged 2.0 Flat-4 of the SBR4 S (with 300hp/350Nm) and the Twin-Turbocharged 2.5 Flat-4 of the SBR4 TT S (with 350hp/420Nm).
And for bridging the 72hp/85Nm gap between the Base and Sport versions, a version with the NA 2.0 Flat-4 (173hp/215Nm) could also exist. Let's call this version the "Sunburst S".

So we have:
Sunburst Base - 1.8 Inline-4 with 137hp/175Nm
Sunburst S - 2.0 NA Flat-4 with 173hp/215Nm
Sunburst Sport - 2.5 NA Flat-4 with 209hp/260Nm
Sunburst Sport S AWD - 2.0 Twin-Turbocharged Flat-4 with 300hp/350Nm
Sunburst Sport RS AWD - 2.5 Twin-Turbocharged Flat-4 with 350hp/420Nm

I don't think it's too hard to make a lineup, honestly. Especially since the aforementioned horsepower figures are also produced by the existing 2.0 Inline-4 versions (and the Base 1.8 Inline-4). So why not put the Flat-4s in the place of the 2.0 Inline-4?

Plus, the "except if you want to simply copy Subaru" argument is just plain wrong because by that we could also say that ETK copies BMW, Cherrier copies Peugeot and Audi, Gavril copies Ford, Bruckell copies GM and Dodge, Ibishu copies Honda and Nissan etc. It's simply unfair.

 

Looking at it canonically, it doesn't make sense for hirochi, a small independent manufacturer, to have two separate 2.0L 4 cylinder engines at the same time, especially when both have a fairly similar power range between the base models and sports versions.

and considering the sunburst is already dimensionally based off a 90s Impreza, there's no reason they couldn't make the base model a 1.8L FWD boxer layout, as the 90s base imprezas were (albeit they had a 1.5L enigne)

from a game design perspective, it differentiates it further from the vivace, and the way the devs have been eluding to it when asked suggests the're probably already set on do it.

 

Or, like what I mentioned a few pages back, an American rotary like what was prototyped by General Motors to be used in cars like the Corvette and AMC Pacer. Granted, those cars never entered production with rotaries, but I wish they did.

 

Sadly nobody will do it else, Mazda also realized that rotary is useless and non cost beneficial

 

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