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Autobello Piccolina

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  1. Reece Coates

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    Someone please explain to me why it's documented as a "sedan"?
    (if this is a bump I apologize)
     
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  2. Car8john

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    It is a personal aspiration of the Piccolina to grow an additional set of doors so it too can pretend to be practical for family use
     
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  3. I<3ChickenWings&V8

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    I just think back then there was no compact class or anything so is just called a "sedan" because its marketed as a cheap car for the family.
    You have to keep in mind that in the 60s not everyone had a car in europe so the need for cheap family haulers was there especially in rural regions of europe.
     
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  4. Reece Coates

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    You might be right.
     
  5. Jackets64

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    This does lead to an interesting question about what it technically is however. It’s not a hatchback, it’s got no hatch. It’s just a compact coupe I guess.
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    Similar to a Porsche. Those are coupes without rear trunks as well. Fun fact, the 996 and 997 gens were kinda-sorta hatchbacks because they actually did have a hatch that allowed access to the rear seats.
     
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  6. kwai38

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    Wikipedia defines the Fiat 600 as a two-door fastback sedan and the Beetle as a sedan
    so I guess the BeamNG wiki isn't that wrong? :p
     
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    I would call it a coupe but that's a stretch. It's also not quite a fastback. I'm not sure if it fits any common body style to be honest.
     
  8. Reece Coates

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    It's a round.
     
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  9. I<3ChickenWings&V8

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    Vehicle Class: *E G G*
     
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  10. fivedollarlamp

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    It's a two door hatchback. Problem solved
     
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    except it doesnt have hatches, the only access to the interior is the doors
     
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  12. Jackets64

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    Yeah it kinda lacks the hatch part of hatchback…
     
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  13. GearHead1

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    I think that it's a two-door sedan just like any other cheap, 2-door family car back then. Keep in mind, many family cars were 2-door sedans back then, and I wouldn't really call them coupes.
     
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  14. fivedollarlamp

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    Semantics
     
  15. Jackets64

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    I mean a hatchback is named a hatchback because it has a hatch in the back. If it doesn’t have a rear hatch that leads to the interior, it can’t really be a hatchback.
     
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    Problem is we have a clear image of what a Sedan is: a car with a 3-box design and shape, meaning that the rear end, with the trunk inside of it, is prominent and clearly defined in the overall design and shape. The 800, the I-Series, the Pessimas, the Miramar, the Bastion, the LeGran, the Special (Lead Sled included), the Bluebuck (the 2-door and Hardtop bodies are still Sedans because they share the same basic shape with their 4-door equivalents), the Grand Marshal, the Sunburst, all these cars are characteristic examples of the Sedan body design.
    The Piccolina isn't a Sedan, because it's got no rear end sticking out of it, and it's not a Hatchback either because it's got neither a hatch, nor a boot. So it's just a 2-door City Car.
     
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  17. STEVIE_G4M1NG_YT

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    conclusion: Autobello Piccolina is a Fastback Sedan
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    :D
     
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  18. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    I hate body style semantics so much

    The OCD part of my brain demands 100% accurate differentiation, but cars like the Piccolina defy it. For a long time, it was a pretty simple case of "2 doors = coupe, 4 doors = sedan" but coupes with rear seats/B-pillars/formal-ish rooflines (don't remember which) were called 2-door sedans at some point and now we have "4-door coupes" thanks to the Mercedes CLS. Then, where do you draw the line between a liftback which is stylistically a coupe but has a hatch hinged above the rear window instead of a trunklid hinged below it, and a regular hatchback? What angle, and where do you measure that angle? By the original definitions of "sports car" and "grand tourer" basically every sports car made today would be a grand tourer just by having niceties like roll-up windows, so from a modern perspective, it'd make more sense to differentiate based on whether it has back seats or not. But then how do you differentiate between a grand tourer and a plain compact/midsize/full-size coupe? Roofline? Whether it has a sedan version? 4 versus 5/6 seats? Just call everything with 2 side doors a grand tourer? Then it goes right back to, how do you account for the difference between an ordinary 3-door hatchback and a sporty liftback?

    Then add in coupe utilities and the fact that certain labels such as grand tourer, coupe utility, sports car, etc. don't carry a size connotation the way "compact/midsize/fullsize sedan/wagon" does, and if you want to sort those by size or displacement, then it results in an exponential explosion of classes, some of which may contain less than 10 cars throughout the entire history of the automobile (because all this started from an attempt to think up a comprehensive, consistent classification system for production-based racing).

    Right now, the best I can call the Piccolina is a grand tourer and that really bugs me
     
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  19. WhatNot98

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    the Piccolina is a city-car

    it’s not a coupe as it’s too short and too tall
    It’s not a sedan as it doesn’t have a separate rear trunk
    It’s not a grand tourer because it’s far too small, underpowered and obviously only designed for short journeys in mind
    It’s not a hatch as the glass doesn’t lift up with the rear lid to get access to the boot

    The reason why it’s listed as a sedan is that the piccolina is from a time where vehicle segments didn’t really exist yet and the word ‘sedan’ was far more broad and generic than it is today.
     
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  20. STEVIE_G4M1NG_YT

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    City car isn't a body style, it's a size class
     
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