Loving the hate on euro shitboxes when what do america churn out by the millions, shitboxes. Oh they have some classics, but calling a focus representative of all European cars is just the same as a shitty american minivan or a PT Cruiser being representative of all american cars. Nor do I see passion in many of those boaty sedans.
Not every american vehicles are shitboxes, most aren't these days actually (unless its american GM, in which case the chance of you finding a good vehicle is slim) and I also disagree with potato on the focus being a shitbox, the ST model is an amazing vehicle for those who need practicality of an efficient A-B car, and the fun of a sporty vehicle, and the normal focus is also a good vehicle Sent from the 3rd galaxy via the talks of tapping
I hate all shitboxes. Japanese, european, american, Korean. Has nothing to do with who makes the car, I just don't like shitboxes, and Europe seems to be full of them. Except the classics. There's a certain allure about the AMC gremlin.
Omg peugeot 308 Not bad exterior but (imported from here) it looks like the driver was not supposed to see the interior in the first place! just like in GTA
You make my everything hurt. If I want a real driving experience, I'd use a Caterham R500 Superlight or a Noble M600. Thats a real driving experience, RWD with no driver aids, not aided all-wheel. Oh, one more thing... There's nothing important that was ever done with a boxer engine. They are gutless in N/A form (even more so in diesel form), they have no torque in any form, they are inefficient, and, again, sound like they're gargling marbles. You have to split the crankcase to replace anything inside the engine (true for Subaru, not sure for Porsche), making them awful to work on. The only car that can do a silly boxer engine correctly is the Subaru BRZ/Scion FR-S/Toyota GT-86. And that's only because they have skinny little tires and RWD.
oh they are a pain in the arse to work on. But lack of torque is not inherent to the boxer design and is purely a case of combustion chamber design, valve timings, port sizes and stroke lengths etc. It has nothing to do with the layout of the pistons at all. Again. Inefficiency, nothing to do with the layout at all. The boxer is possibly the smoothest running 4 stroke configuration possible. Perfectly balanced unlike almost every other engine configuration. Its only disadvantages are having to split the crankcase for internal work as you say (although I'm sure I've heard of a setup where you only have to remove the sump) and packaging being complicated for some vehicles. Oh and having to have 2 (or 4 for DOHC) camshafts but that is a V8 disadvantage too. Due to its smooth running and perfect balance, it makes a very popular aero engine setup. - - - Updated - - - Cosmetic = visual. Just look at 2 pictures. Job done.
Ah, but you see, the GSR trim is a 5-speed (should be 6, damnit). You have to bump up to the MR trim for the stupid flappy paddle SportTronic nonsense.
Ah, yes, the good old 22B. I actually like those, like a lot. I want to import one. I want to own one. That's a real car, not what they're making now.
"In 1998, Subaru of Japan produced a widebody, coupe WRX STI called the "22B STI" produced between March and August 1998. The 22B was used to commemorate both Subaru's 40th anniversary as well as the third consecutive manufacturer's title for Subaru in the FIA World Rally Championship. On the release of the sales, all 400 Japanese units sold out from 30 minutes to 48 hours, depending on the report.[SUP][6][/SUP] Another 24 were produced for export markets—16 for the UK, along with another 5 for Australia, and 3 prototypes. The 16 cars imported to the UK were modified by Prodrive, with longer gear ratios, and UK specification lights. Because 50 22Bs had already been imported privately into the UK, Subaru had to wait until 1999 to register the 16 officially imported cars under the VCA'sSingle Vehicle Approval scheme." -Subaru Impreza Wikipedia Article
But to call all Stis a 22b is incorrect. It was a 2 door widebody model. Not all STis are 22Bs. I have seen a genuine 22B in the UK.
I like the sedan better. There's something really cool about a rally sedan that the coupe version and the 22B just don't get.
Yea, I suppose you're right. It's almost more majestic. You expect a coupe to be able to do that kind of stuff, not so much a sedan.
Just FYI: Noone is ever going to take you seriously again after you just said that basically Porsche and Subaru and the boxer engine in general are worthless. Know why? I'll give you a few reasons: The first EVER combustion engine, invented by Karl Benz in 1896 was a flat engine with horizontally opposed pistons(Not really a boxer engine, but still a flat engine), however: I'd like to show you the 959, which won the 1986 Dakar, another 959 came 2nd, and another came 6th... Bill Gates had a 959. I'd like to show you the 961(a racing verison of the 959), which in 1986 won it's class at Le Mans in its debut year(which is quite shocking), and 7th overall. I'd like to show you that Porsche as a whole is THE most succesful brand in motorsport, with 28,000 victories, 16 constructor wins at the 24 Hours of Le Mans, and they are the largest race car manufacturer. They won their first Le Mans in 1970's with a flat-12 engine in the Porsche 917, which is one of THE most iconic racing cars of all times(even though technically that's a 180 degree V-engine and not a boxer, it's still a flat one, close enough). Porsche DOMINATED Group C and IMSA GTP in the 80's with the 956 and 962, both using flat-6 engines. I'd like to show you the Impreza WRC cars, which very, very succesful in WRC for YEARS, even though they didn't win *that* many, they did get many podium finishes... They got Subaru 3 consecutive WRC Constructors titles from 95-97, a driver championship in '95, 2001, and 2003. In 2010, Tommi Mäkinen set the worlds fastest lap time for a sedan on the Nürburgring in, you guessed it, a WRX STI. I'd like to show you the Ferrari Berlinetta Boxer, the BB LM won it's class at the 1981 24 Hours of Le Mans, and finished 5th overall, using a boxer engine. I'd like to show you the Ferrari Testarossa and 512TR and F512M, which have a 180 degree flat V12(again, not a true boxer, but still a flat engine). Argueably one of the most iconic sportscars from the 80's, combined with the Countach and the Daytona and some others... I'd like to show you I think nearly all BMW motorcycles, which I think nearly all used boxer engines(flat twins), even to this day. I'd like to show you the Volkswagen Beetle, which was sold over 20 million times between 1937 and 2003, which also makes it the longest-running most manufactured car on a single design platform of all times. In 1956, 25.5 percent of all cars in Western Europe were rear-drive, rear-engined... So basically Beetles, Fiat 500s, or Renaults... You know what's especially funny about the Beetle using a flat-four engine? It started Volkswagen. No Beetle = no Volkswagen. No VR6 Golfs, no Seats as we know them now, no Skodas as we know them now, and you know what? Most likely no Audi like we know them now either... Which also means no Gallardo, at least not as we know it now. The Beetle was voted as the world's most influential car of the 20th century, with the Model T behind it, and the VW Type 1 in 4th place(also using a boxer flat-four). So I'd also like to show you the VW Type 1, pretty important vehicle imho, considering they're worth quite a lot nowadays. The Type 2 and Type 3 also use boxer engines. Allow me to list a few more: Toyotas first ever sportscar was the Toyota Sports 800, which had a 2-cylinder boxer engine. The Honda Goldwing has used a boxer engine since 1975. There's also a bunch of other cars with boxers/flat engines where you wouldn't expect them. Citroen 2CV... And that 2CV incidentally marked the trend for a front wheel drive trend in the European marked because other brands realised it was the cheapest way to power their cars, so again, without the boxer engine, we'd probably have seen a slightly different drivetrain layout as standard in Europe right now(not saying noone else would have started the trend, but the 2cv did start it) So much for that "nothing important was ever done with a boxer engine" eh? That said, seeing as you're completely oblivious to any real car knowledge, you probably won't even bother to read this post. TL;DR: You're a dipstick, at least skim the whole post. Oh and wow: Why even bother hiring a designer guys... I mean, really?
