I know. So basically it would be a guided rocket mess of two jet fighters at high speeds. Sounds entertaining
yup thats dogfights nowadays. except theres also the possibility of the dogfight not happening in the first place cause one side probably has a certain angel of death that can wipe out any opponent without ever being seen
The Me-262 was the first jet powered fighter on the battlefields of WW2. The Me-262 stands absolutely no chance against a modern day aircraft like an F-16. I mean, you could even shoot down an Me-262 with a prop aircraft if you were good. It's main advantage was speed. When we talk about modern aircraft with modern weapons systems the Me-262 is basically a Cessna C-150 going up against an F-22. There's no shot. And, the Me-262 never had guided rockets. The Ruhrstahl X-4 rockets, the first German missile that could "lock on" to targets, never saw combat. Back then the best you could do was rocket pods which would shoot unguided small rockets into ground or air targets provided the pilot had the skills. The first missile even capable of tracking/locking on to a target wasn't even in service until 1956, and that was long after the Me-262 was used by the Germans. Compared to the Me-262, the F-16 is basically god. --- Post updated --- Dogfights nowadays do not occur. Gone are the days of pilots fighting to put each other in their crosshairs above the battlefield. The United States has weapons and systems that can lock onto and launch missiles at aircraft from 100 miles away. Any air to air combat occurring today would be achieved by shooting planes down from many many miles away. That's one of the reasons why fighter technology has now moved towards prioritizing stealth and lowering RCS, along with improving weapons systems as much as possible. Modern dogfights don't exist. The industry has completely shifted. And not too far from now, fighter pilots won't even be needed anymore. The US has several concepts and functioning prototypes of AI powered drones/aircraft that can outperform even the best human pilots. Dogfights are just part of an era that's far behind us and long forgotten.
Yeah, I was talking about Beam, so i thought about the Ruhrstahl X-4 rockets, and it was stupid of me to talk about planes without serious knowledge of them. But, lets assume the one who controls the F-16 is a novice, that only got into flying, and the one flying the me262 is a very skilled pro. Will that be able to atleast even them out? english is not my primary language, expect some mistakes here Also, my knowledge of planes and stuff is limited to Beam, so of course there would be mistakes. (but idk why i assumed that a WW2 jet fighter will stand a chance against an aircraft that was made with the finest modern tech.)
Even if the pilot of the me-262 pilot is a 3 time fighter ace, the only possible chance for the 262 to win is if it somehow gets the jump on the 16, and that’s assuming that the F-16 doesn’t just leave, in which case the Me-262 has no chance of keeping up
When the missiles run out from either dodging them or flares, then it is dogfight, there is a reason why the F-22 still retains the Vulcan.
Um what? Dude... what? No? What? You got all of your information from Top Gun lmao. No that's not how that works dude. By the time they "run out" of missiles they're NOWHERE near the enemy. Okay let me just give a random example. If an F-35 (F22 is pretty outdated and likely not to see combat, it was really more of a proof of concept than anything else) were to go against an SU-57 (Su-57 is vaporware and only 5 exist I know but still) the F-35 is gonna pick up on that Su-57 while it's 150 miles away. IF it were to engage, it would fire guided missiles and then bug off as to remain invisible to the Su-57. We know damn well the F-35 is going to be practically invisible to the Su-57s far inferior weapons systems until the F-35 is within around 50ish miles, but the point I'm getting at here is that in modern Air To Air combat, protocol dictates you make your move and piss off, not just sit around waiting for radar or the Su-57 to pick up on your location. Look I'm not going to write a 6 paragraph in depth report of a hypothetical "dogfight" between two superpower's rival aircraft, but the point still stands, they will never even be within sight of each other, let alone be close enough to start firing the guns at each other. And, let me just say, the whole flares myth is getting annoying. In real life flares don't really do shit anymore. When we talk about modern fighters and modern weapons, flares become basically irrelevant completely. Many of our US guided missiles cannot be halted by some flares. That's 1980 Hollywood movie level stuff. Nowadays missiles are so much more complex, so much more advanced, that firing off chaffs or flares doesn't actually really do anything to hinder the missile's guidance. Yes flares will work against a MANPAD being wielded by a terrorist but not against sophisticated up-to-spec modern day guided missiles. Look I don't want to start an argument, but I got family sittin here with confirmed kills in USAF aircraft who can tell me everything you said is just jargon. I'm not pulling out any top secret documents or specs, either, but I would recommend you try out a few simulations in DCS just to see what a real life "dogfight" would look like, because while Top Gun is a beautiful franchise, it just isn't realistic at all.
Um I'm not gonna lie to you, I think 50% or 70% progress is a bit unrealistic. As far as making planes go in BeamNG (if the author is even still working on it) (he probably is but it's quite the undertaking) it's probably the hardest type of mod to make. And then couple that with the fact that he's trying to make an F-16... I mean, you see where this is going, right? Like, the B-25 Mitchell mod, one of the most realistic aircraft mods in BeamNG took that guy months if I recall correctly. Now imagine how long it would take to make a proper F-16 mod. I would imagine this mod won't come out for several months if it's still being worked on. Especially if this guy is trying to incorporate a bunch of features off the real F-16 and make it at least semi-realistic. In other games like Flight Simulator, for example, it wouldn't take nearly as long but as far as I understand when it comes to planes in BeamNG it's a whole other ballpark in terms of how difficult it is and how long it takes to make these mods. I'd say just wait for the author to give us an update but don't expect this mod to come out any time soon.
