should i upgrade my PC?

Ok so I'd still recommend the 9950X3D instead of the 285k (for the guy who was almost gonna buy a threadripper lmao) simply because AMD has better upgrade path and the 16 cores that AMD has, each and every one of those cores are P cores instead of some E cores and some P cores so its the same performance for Beam. I'm sorry for the copium. But Intel isn't really for everyone. Maybe you could make an arguement for the quicksync feature but intel has already been messed up to the point where its hard to trust if their chips are stable or not (seeing how 13th and 14th gen went) but I don't think its gonna happen to the 200S chips. Even then the reputation has been damaged. But I'd recommend you actually test it with CPU's that are relevant, I'm not telling you to buy anything but the 7945HX3D isn't a fair comparison to the 285k. Not saying that you can't compare to it tho. Also remember I'm not jealous or anything.

 

ITS NOT A LAPTOP..........jfc you are dense.



See that ITS NOT A LAPTOP

1 it's not a "laptop cpu" its IDENTICAL to a 7950x3d just a slightly lower TDP.

And I compare it because all the delusional AMD fanboys say "OMFG 3d cache is amazing, its the best" so because everywhere you read online people say its the best, why not compare "the best" to "the worst gaming cpu"

So again explain why a 16 core 32 thread low power 7950x3d isn't beating the pants off a little 10 core arrow lake CPU? If it was the other way around you'd say it wasn't fair for AMD, but in this case the handicap is for the intel chip.....so why does it match or exceed the performance of Zen 4 sometimes?

225 5070Ti



7945HX3D + 5070Ti



Everything is identical......oh but the 7945HX3D has 96GB of ram so maybe that's not fair either right?

You make a boatload of assumptions

Yup no idea what 3d cache is, but thanks for the copy paste run on sentence BS. Fun fact I don't play games with a 4090 or 5090 at 1080P in CS2 or otherwise, tell me how much 3D cache makes a difference at 4K resolution where I play my games?

You buy whatever the hell you want, but the "dead platform" argument is lame. So if I just bought a 285K system, do I give a shit that I can't "upgrade it" in a few years when i need something better, nope sure don't care, I'll be doing a full system upgrade, because at that time ram will be faster ect ect, so doing an entire platform upgrade after 3-4 years really doesn't matter to me as I always do a full platform upgrade since I bought the best CPU available at the time of build.

 

Lame? Damn buddy you love to rebuilt your system every time? You have soo much disposable income so that you can buy a new motherboard (and sometimes RAM), you are the reason why Intel won't be consumer friendly to anyone. The reason why Intel gets so much hate is because they never have good support for their socket. So my point is really valid for a lot a people, It matters a lot.
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Even at 4k there is a difference in the 1% lows which determines how smooth the gameplay actually is. 3D V-cache is the biggest reason Intel is struggling against AMD in gaming. Go figure Intel team blue boy. Productivity-wise they are both comparable. The only reason why I'd even consider Intel's new chips are because:
1. It's at a good discount with a motherboard bundle deal.
2. If I did want to go with the hassle of upgrading my pc every fucking time I needed to get a new CPU (not just money being the issue but rebuilding the system as a whole is mess imo)
3. If I only ever did productivity in my life.
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Also have you ever realized how bad Intel's state as a company is? Like bro you are the 0.1% of people that actually think intel is an amazing option and beats AMD in every aspect.
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R9 7945HX3D is still a Laptop CPU btw, gluing it to a DIY ITX mobo doesn't magically make it a pc, BROOOo

 

o you are pissed xD
also did I say you are wrong? check again xD
I said you are right, Ultra 9 185k outperforms 9800X3D. but not the attitude

but idk intel can beat 9950X3D fr
still waiting to you to buy that shit and test it

 

9800X3D beats 285k in gaming.., you bought a bad product hahah
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Either way, your AI tests only ran at 30fps on the 285k, which is pathetic lol. Makes it worse when you consider that you could just buy a threadripper with way more cores and could rip off the 285k...
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Nah i'm not mad, I just reply to things.

So over a month ago you said you were going to test things out????



So....what happened to that idea, still waiting on those results.

 

I just don't want to argue with you
its not worth it

 

What's to argue if you are right?

Too afraid of the results if you run the test?

Again my tests and settings are very clearly laid out. Super easy to do.

Hell even my laptop does well with 40 cars spawned in west coast.

i9 13900H RTX 4060



7800X3D + 4090. Yes this test is done at 4k, but I think its still more than fair since a 4090 is way faster than a 4060 laptop gpu



What's up with those results????

Maybe it's because more cores = more performance?

 

Honestly, having more cores doesn't really do much for gaming. Even in a game like beam 20 AI cars is still a lot of cars and can run at a solid 70fps on the 7800X3D. Hell upto 30 AI cars with 60fps. So while intel CPU's may be faster, its mainly because intel uses a lot of E cores. Single threaded performance does matter but the same for multicore. Honestly I don't think anyone here uses 40 AI cars on beamng unless they have a CPU like a threadripper that can actually use all those cores. I still don't see why people like you recommend Intel when AMD is clearly dominating basically everywhere else. Too afraid to look at other benchmarks apart from beamng?
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And before you say that "oh i play in 4k so this dont matter" well even at 4k the games will be smoother with the 1% lows. Like Cyberpunk, you still need a powerful CPU to get consistent FPS. So while you test AI cars in the game, which basically shows nothing but single core and multi core performance. You haven't played any other game in your life bud. I bet you didn't realize beamng has some graphics mods to make your game look amazing but you didn't utilze those despite having a 5090. I'd still argue that your benchmarks are just shit, why don't just play with graphics mods instead? Something people will like more than just AI cars. This is it, im not arguing more, you are just one of those guys that fanboy Intel quite a lot (but you wouldn't agree with me).

 

7800X3d tests....

30cars and 60fps? Nope



20 cars and 70fps? Nope



10 cars is no problem



0 cars no problem



Oh and 40 cars

Yes and when you have fast single thread performance you get fast multicore performance, but a whole pile of slow cores doesn't help. Its why threadripper isn't any good in beam.

So you use the excuse intel uses E-cores as if its something bad? Yeah cope harder delusional AMD fan.

You keep arguing about whatever you like and i'll just keep proving you wrong.

Your assumptions on a 7800X3D were amazing, totally wrong, and I bet you didn't think I'd have videos of that....

If you want to circle jerk about other games ect, go ahead and do that, this forum is about Beam, and i'm providing information on what systems play beam the best, so again my results don't lie. Go touch some grass

 

Wack, my 5600G got the same fps as you got with ur 7800X3D in 20 ai cars, something wrong lol, also im not a fanboy but amd just makes better cpu's.
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Clearly you still don't have any idea of pc gaming. I dont care now, you only play beam you go intel, I'm still going AMD.

 

Nag your 5600g didn't do anything close to that. My tests clearly show all the settings......so run at 4k and tell me the frames you get, you won't even get close to that, I dare you, make a video showing the exact settings, but I know you won't and will come up with some bs excuse why you can't. I love when people make claims then cant back them up.

 

It did... Just on a less intensive map, Italy. Sorry if you can't agree with me, I love the fact how you are still arguing about something stupid. If you only play beam Intel is good, if you play a lot of other games, AMD clear winner no doubt. Productivity? I'd say pretty similar.

 

Oh right so now the excuses start..........so your 5600G didn't get the same fps as a 7800X3D in the exact same circumstances, but you said it did?

Oh yeah and since I know you are stalking me elsewhere online, my 285K as not a stupid upgrade from a 14900K

Can you explain why the 285K does so much better than my 14900K with lots of AI cars spawned?

14900K RTX 4090 West Coast 4k with 80 cars spawned



Now a 285K RTX 5090 West Coast 4k with 80 cars spawned



So the exact same settings, but a better CPU and video card, video card is basically irrelevant to a certain point when spawning a bunch of cars.

So we go from about 12-15fps to 35-40fps, almost playable.

But it was a stupid upgrade....

Then again this is the kind of child i'm actually talking to, it all makes sense



Also thanks for confirming that you are a child.....this all makes sense now

 

Most smart kid tho. Also really funny how you choose Intel over AMD, like what the fu- (sarcasm), Hope your CPU doesn't explode. Crazy how you wasted your time with a kid. Also the jump from 10-15fps to 30-40fps is kinda meh considering that most people don't do such upgrades. So you're rich huh? Well I'm sorry but being rich doesn't mean you own the earth. Proof Intel sucks:
Second proof:
Third proof:
Because you only play beamng, and because this is a beamng foreum doesn't mean we can't talk about other applications, because you are too scared that your 285k will get choked by AMD.

 

Well even at 12 I would think you could form sentences better with proper grammar.

Also really funny how an immature kid thinks they know anything about computer hardware other than just reading clickbait crap and watching youtube "influencers"

Don't worry my CPU won't be exploding any time soon, hardly goes above 60c while gaming

 

My grammar is bad? I don't think yours is any better. Still insane how you haven't given up yapping. Can't we just agree that Intel's Arrow Lake is really good for some niche use cases, like BeamNG AI, tho its got pretty good productivity which isn't really a niche use case but either way this generation was still a mixed bag. AMD's CPU's are generally better rn. Intel used to be amazing back when AMD's FX chips were hot and power hungry. Same thing is happening with Intel now. Not as bad right now since Arrow Lake is more efficient than Raptor Lake. The big reason why Intel's chips were and still kind of are hot messes is because their process node was way behind. Still stuck at 10 nanometer by 14th gen. AMD was at TSMC's 5 nanometer with Zen 4 Ryzen 7000 Series. Intel drew 40% more performance to get similar performance or worse in a lot of games and productivity was even more of a mess. And platform upgrades that make you upgrade your PC almost every single time. On top of the oxidation issues of Intel CPU's and adding insane amounts of voltage on the CPU made it worse. That's why I'd get AMD instead of Intel, and that's why almost EVERYONE is considering AMD over Intel.

 

Isn't it past your bed time? Don't you have to go beg and convince your parents to get an upgrade for your computer?

Again what's with all the "rich" BS........you are a kid. Don't rot your brain online. Work hard, get an education and get a good job, then you can have whatever hobbies you want and spend money how you please.

 

Uh no It's 8 PM here. Also thanks for the stuff you told me. Anyways, even If I was rich I'd still spend smart, If I only played games, I'd get the 9800X3D, extremely fast for gaming, great for the use case. Productivity? Im getting either 9950X or X3D. May consider Intel but once again, even If I was rich, I wouldn't like having to change my mobo everytime especially when a single CPU upgrade makes a lot more sense imo. Saves time and of course money. I get it, people will call me a peasant but not having to change your shit makes a quality of life improvement in PC gaming. Also reduces E-waste too. Save the Earth!!!!!

 

I think it's time to upgrade my PC.....beam at 8K is definitely something else to try and run