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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by tdev, Jul 14, 2015.

  1. tdev

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    yep :)
     
  2. scania970

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    Very curious about Repository, it was awesome to have it on Rigs of Rods forums. Not so happy about this decision by the way, but if you think it'll be better for everybody, ok then!
     
  3. Dummiesman

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    Basically you guys are saying you'd rather the forums be private, and have all the mods re-uploaded on Russian sites? Better have this then that.
     
  4. NistingurA

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    Also you can just download the alpha backup without buying the game
     
  5. Dummiesman

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    You can't. Sign out and see for yourself.
     
  6. tdev

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    No, that section is only visible to "Alpha testers" - try it and log out ;)
     
  7. Funky7Monkey

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    Now, we can't ask people to activate their account, it's discrimination against people who pirated the game. Because they pirated the game for a reason, because they are too broke to buy the game, but still think they should have it. We can't discriminate against those that are not as well off in life, and therefore should allow people to play games for free, without supporting the game developers in any way. [/sarcasm]
     
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  8. BaronRedStorm

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    Heh, nice one guys.

    Tried it myself, unable to see the Backup download sub-section.
     
  9. Bubbleawsome

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    Listen to yourselves. When big companies implement DRM people complain. The complaints are usually justified (like with watchdogs), but a recurring argument is always that piracy will always exist no matter what you do, and that point is totally true. In the end this will not increase piracy at all, people who aren't going to buy it are still going to have to pirate the game, and every single mod was already reuploaded somewhere anyway.

    To sum it up, at this point the disadvantages are none, and the advantages are a simpler system and mod updates for everyone. That may not sound great, but some sites have mod "updates" that are actually edits. This gets rid of this as long as the forum stays as a central repository.

    It's also not like it's totally open. To get it for free the game still has to be pirated and tDev said there will be other protections.
     
  10. Spacekiller

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    I got introduced to this game by YouTube channel 'WhyBeAre', I found this game to be very amusing, then after that, Pewdiepie played this game. That is when I thought I should definitely try this game out. Firstly I downloaded the demo from your website, wasn't satisfied then I checked steam if it was available there or not, it wasn't at that time.The only way to purchase this was from this website, I was reluctant to do it, so I pirated the 3.0.6 version of this game. The game was amazing, so I thought of adding mods but found out I could only download from third-party sites as the mods of this forums was exclusive for those who brought the game.I couldn't enjoy the high quality mods, and the mods of the third party sites were unreliable (some can be used and some caused problems).So that was the time I made up my mind to buy the game as soon as it releases on steam and which I did.If this forums was non-exclusive I wouldn't have even bothered to buy this game in the first place, as everything was free ( still in alpha stage maybe full of bugs etc etc {pirate point of view}). I bought the game so I could enjoy updates when they are released and the mods which this forums offered.

    But now you made it public, Great Idea, You should have done it earlier and lost one buyer.
     
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  11. tdev

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    Welp, you contributed to the development of the game. The new repo will be ingame and will enforce steam connection, so the mod system will change completely anyways.

    We still believe that locking down content is the wrong way to go.
     
  12. Spacekiller

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    Your game guys, your rules.
     
  13. Nadeox1

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    Don't take it wrong, but for 'us' buyers nothing changes. You still benefit of immediate updates and full support.
    Your purchase, as said above, like anyone purchase here, contributed to make the game get to what is it nowadays

    If pirates truly enjoy the game, they will eventually purchase the game, and if they don't we are not condemning them. It's an issue between them and their consciousness ;)
     
  14. Spacekiller

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    Thank you:) for your clarification.
     
  15. Hati

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    The best response to piracy is being more convenient than piracy. Ther's futility in trying to compete with the streisand effect, especially when our members are leaking mods anyway.
     
  16. Regular_K

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    With this, pirates have NO incentive whatsoever to buy the game. The only things they couldn't get were the mods, as someone with pirating experience I can tell you that pirates won't suddenly change their mind and buy the game when you're giving it out for free.

    Bad idea, I could have pirated this game but I wanted access to the forums (and i loved RoR so i wanted to support this game), now there's no reason to purchase.

    At least wait until you can somehow block pirated versions of the game, instead of giving free access to what others paid for.
     
  17. IBsenoj

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    I have to disagree with you. I pirated assetto corsa a year ago and loved it so much that I bought two copies of it... IMHO I use pirating kinda like a demo and if I dont like it, I delete it. But if I do like it, I show my appreciation for the game and buy it, support the devs.
     
  18. estama

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    I completely understand your point of view. On the other hand, there are already a lot of (shady) places from where people can get mods, so keeping the forums closed did not help with that.

    We've decided to open up the forums for many reasons:
    - We plan to have some exclusive features ready in the next few months
    - We feel that an open environment is better for a discussion forum (the mods will be handled by the mod repository in the near future)
    - Open forums will allow people to make a more informed decision about buying the game or not
    - We value the opinion of even the people that haven't bought the game. For example, there are a lot of people with mechanical engineering knowledge that haven't necessarily bought the game. I would be glad if they shared their knowledge with the community here

    Due to our open source background, we value being open a lot. This is why you don't see any intrusive DRM or other annoyances up to now. This is also the reason why most of the game's code is open source. The UI is open source (it is in HTML), the AI, gameplay and high level physics is open source (look in lua/ folder), the graphics engine is open source (based on Torque3d). So only a very small % of the whole game is closed.

    You might think that being open is not that important. In our case it has turned to be very important. Due to the research nature of the game (i think of it as research presented as a game), it is very hard to find the cutting edge talent in any one place. Being open has helped us a lot to find this talent. For example Goosah (that currently works on our tires) contacted me with his research findings on our old tires. And it isn't just Goosah. I'm from Greece, Thomas is from Germany, Gabe is from USA, Sam is from Australia and we also have people from Canada, New Zealand, China, Pakistan, Egypt, Spain, Italy and the list goes on. If we weren't open we wouldn't have found all these very talented people.

    Based on above, keeping the forums closed was just artificially decreasing the percentage of the talented people that were able to communicate with us and the rest of the community. I hope now that you see why the piracy argument while important didn't win at the end.

    Be well.
     
    #38 estama, Jul 17, 2015
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  19. Aboroath

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    It appears my decision to hold off on a knee jerk and ignorant rant about this decision has paid off.
    It will be interesting to see how this plays out community wise.
     
  20. Dc5R

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    Totally agree but in some underdeveloped countries ( i must admit , like mine ) that could be a serious comment and not sarcasm . Some people pirate games and buy them , but some just can't afford them . One of my relatives bought GTAV , but for 1/10 the original price . Why ? Because he has to focus on other stuff first . I'm not against you or anything , just saying . If you want me to delete this , I'm fine with it . :)
     
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