Hey Civic dude, Initial D was a cartoon. In real life you are absolutely not going to beat a 911 GT3 in a Civic, even a tuned Civic, even if you have Fujiwara zone blind attack gutter drifts or whatever you're thinking of. The GT3 driver would have to be a monumental noob to lose that race. Even I could win with that matchup, and my skills are nothing short of scrubtacular. Furthermore, speed and handling are not mutually exclusive. The GT3 was designed from the beginning to eat racetracks. The Civic Si is a sporty version of a car designed to get you to work. If you match the GT3's outright grip but the GT3 has more power (as in a 150+ horsepower advantage, and that's assuming heavy duty tuning on your engine) and has better handling balance, the GT3 is still a better car and is still going to win. Even if the RR layout is not ideal in theory, FF isn't either and the level of chassis tuning applied by Porsche to the GT3 far exceeds that applied by Honda and you/a tuning shop to that Civic. Yes, it is possible for someone to be so completely and utterly hopeless that they lose to Civics in 911s. I suspect a lot of supercar drivers are that hopeless. But the argument was about the capabilities of the car, and even mentioning the Civic and 911 GT3 in the same sentence is an insult to the GT3. tl;dr you are not Takumi Fujiwara and you are not going to embarrass Porsche's best-handling 911 in a Civic just because you have sikk skillz dawg. Or even better maximum grip.
I guess he does act like his car is the best car in the world well in reality there is no such thing as the best car in the world as every car has its faults (reliablity,performance etc)
It has much worse "handling balance" than a civic. They understeer thanks to the 38 percent front to rear distribution and they don't turn in for shit. On a big gp circuit with hi speed turns sure. On anything smaller your never getting away. When I get home to the desktop I'll dump photos 5 or 6 of the GT3's I worked on and countless other 911s 2 of which are track only. Do I know everything about Porsches? No. Am I the end all car expert? No. Am I extremely biased? Yes. Have I worked on Carmelo Anthonys white panamera gts with carbon fiber interior? Jerry Seinfelds 1973 carrers rs with factory sunroof? Yes. Go drive a few GT3's hard like your trying to find something wrong with it and let me know if you still think it lives up to the hype.
Nice name drop, but the fact is, Road & Track's Chris Harris did drive a new GT3 hard like he was trying to find something wrong with it and the only thing he really didn't like was being stuck with a flappy shifter. Oh, and Porsche's own Weissach test track, where he drove the car, is specifically mentioned as being too slow and tight to really show aero effects, so his glowing review of the car's performance was based mostly on mechanical grip and handling balance. Considering that Porsche has had that test track for a while, and probably developed previous GT3s there, I would be perfectly willing to go out on a limb and say the rest of them handle just fine too. The "Porsches are understeering death traps" stereotype died years ago. You should probably bury it. Furthermore, I'm calling your bluff right here. I'm going to flatly state that you never worked on Carmelo Anthony's white Panamera GTS with carbon fiber interior, or Jerry Seinfeld's 1973 Carrera RS with factory sunroof. People that rich won't hire someone to work on their Porsche unless that person knows everything about Porsches.
Lol I was hoping you would call that bluff. Tune in tomorrow to see the evidence. I wasn't a master mechanic but my teachers were the best porsche mechanics in the country if not the western hemisphere. Talk about name drops? The road and track guys know almost nothing about cars. I'll show you photos of a track car I spent days sorting out belonging to one of their writers because he decided to shift into third instead of fifth and bent 2 valves. But hey they're world famous journalists I'm just the moron that works on their cars. Road and track. Good one.
Yeah yeah, tune in tomorrow. The fact is, those people can afford to hire master mechanics, so they do. When you're as rich as Mr. Seinfeld, you don't have to take your chances with Random Civic Fanboy's Import Auto Repair. As for the mis-shift, it happens to the best of us. Oh, by the way, I'm not convinced by your adding details about your celebrity clients' cars. Quite the opposite, in fact. When you get to a certain level of fame, people follow you around reporting your every move, and if you've shown any interest in cars, car blogs will join that herd. It isn't a stretch to assume that you could have found those details on Jalopnik somewhere, and the fact that you went out of your way to provide such esoteric details seems to indicate you're afraid we won't believe you. Well, I don't. If you really had worked on those cars, you would be secure in that knowledge, and you would have no need to provide such details to convince us in lieu of pictures. You can bet I'll be tuning in tomorrow.
Lol reverse search the images I post and see if you hit. After you used road and track as a weapon against a porsche mechanic to defend porsche I have nothing to prove to you. The photos will be purely so you can look at pretty cars I fixed, and not to prove I fixed them. For the record jalopnik is a much better publication than road and track. Those guys stay in fancy hotels and drive fancy cars they don't know the first thing about. Than they show up and say "please rebuild my heads in 5 days because I screwed up and have a trackday to go to."
You can bet I will. I have to give you some credit though, you're better than I thought. I didn't think you'd even know about reverse image search, let alone expect anyone to use it. Now you call yourself a Porsche mechanic. Before, you were just a guy who didn't know everything about Porsches, but worked on them. Furthermore, judging by your posts, you really aren't mature or educated enough to be a Porsche mechanic. Yeah, yeah, I'm waiting for the admitted non-proof. If it helps, I'm loling irl at his posts.
Now you call yourself a Porsche mechanic. Before, you were just a guy who didn't know everything about Porsches, but worked on them. Furthermore, judging by your posts, you really aren't mature or educated enough to be a Porsche mechanic. Yeah, yeah, I'm waiting for the admitted non-proof. If it helps, I'm loling irl at his posts.[/QUOTE] I gotta he honest. I started this mess with my off color remarks but you took every chance to make it personal. It's not very mature and it kind of makes you look like a douche. Before you cry "I'm not butthurt", you made several assumptions about me when you know nothing. It wasn't my shop and they weren't my customers I worked on behalf of the "world famous mechanic". Sure I make fun of mustangs and v8s but I don't make it personal. I can't wait to see how nasty you get when I post photos and you have to come up with ways to discredit them. I'm not saying play nice, just nicer than the personal jabs for no reason. What does it matter to you what I did or didn't do? So what if I happen to have more hands on experience than you.
That's a little more believable. Then I remember that you said a Civic could pull more lateral g's than a GT3. I guess that's technically true, if you fit ultra-sticky tires to the Civic, but then if you fit those same tires to a GT3 the GT3 will have better grip again. And I'm sorry, but whether you set up the Civic yourself or paid someone else to do it, it won't be as thoroughly dialed in as a six-figure super sports car. Furthermore, even if the 911's weight distribution is theoretically worse than the Civic's, it still has one major advantage, that being the ability to rotate itself out of corners because of its rear-wheel drive. It'll require more careful throttle control to use due to the RR layout, but it's still there. The Civic is an FF, it'll always be trying to wash out midcorner and on corner exit, and may even snap oversteer on corner entry (here the 90's stereotypes are appropriate, since you are actually talking about a 90's car). Sure you can left-foot-brake against the throttle to fix some of that, but then that's the thing with FFs - you spend as much time mitigating weaknesses as you do exploiting strengths. In any case, arguing on lateral g's is disingenuous, both for the reasons mentioned above (advantage gained by fitting stickier tires can easily be countered by fitting stickier tires on the other car, FF tends to handle badly past their limits and lack the corner exit strength of RWD) and because they really don't tell the whole story. To explain why, I'll have to tell a tale of two Corvettes: the early C4 and the early C3 (note that a lot of the information about GM's corporate cultures comes from Bob Lutz's book, Car Guys vs. Bean Counters). In 1968, when the C3 Corvette was first introduced, GM's corporate culture, by and large, was still one of passion for the product. Detail-nitpicking finance types had started to infiltrate, but GM still generally built good, desirable cars. Now, the C3, being designed in 1968, was not a grippy car - Car & Driver tested one more recently (though I'm not sure if on reproduction bias-ply tires or fat-sidewall radials) and got, as I recall, 0.75 or 0.76 g, about on par with a modern pickup truck. In terms of balance, however, the old Corvette turned out to be among the all-time greats, able to practically dance at the driver's command. It didn't hold the road well, but it handled like a dream, even once you went past its limits. Fast-forward a few years to 1984, with the introduction of the C4. At this point, GM's corporate culture has gone fully over to obsession with details and numbers. GM decided that their new Corvette, though an embarrassment to the Corvette name with only 205 horsepower, could salvage some honor by having DA BEST SKID PAD NAWMBERZ IN DEH WORLDZZ. So they gave it absurdly sticky tires (so sticky that, as I recall, they were still in production decades later) and zero-give suspension - along with a horribly flimsy chassis, despite their best efforts. The result was a car that would gladly tear your head off on anything but a smooth surface, especially with the targa top removed as it was a structural component. Excellent maximum grip, but it handled like hot garbage. So, while a Honda with the right tires may have a higher theoretical cornering speed than the GT3, the GT3 driver could do the same thing himself - although he'd have to install racing slicks to do it (the GT3 already comes with some of the best tires in the world), your Honda would already have to be rolling on nothing less than "street/track" tires itself to match it in the first place - note that one of the track tires available for it on Tire Rack was developed for the 918 and is standard equipment on the new GT3 RS, while the other was developed specifically for some track-special Mercedes and also has some kind of Porsche marking or approval. Furthermore, when running right on the edge of performance, you will eventually pass the limits - and the new GT3 is known to be surprisingly forgiving. A customized economy car may or may not be, and excessive understeer can kill your time, though it may end up less catastrophic than excessive oversteer. Even furthermore, even in a mountain battle, there's more to the race than just the corners. Most roads and tracks, even the extremely tight ones, have enough room for the GT3 to show its speed advantage over your Honda, even if barely, and in my opinion, there is zero shame in winning on the straights. Even even furthermore, the new GT3 has four-wheel steering to make it even sharper. That should boost exit speeds even further and possibly even (someone may have to correct me here) boost its maximum grip, meaning that the Honda would have to have better tires than the GT3 just to achieve the same grip. So, your actual premise, that a modified Honda can pull more g's than a GT3, is technically true, but in practice it would be fairly difficult to do, and in the end that's far from the only important thing. Still, calling you a liar and an Initial D wannabe was uncalled for, and I'm sorry.
shotgun, you are talking to a highly stereotypical ricer with a complete disillusion that the Honda is the absolute best car in the world, when its not and his Honda is not even the best Honda. Nor is his precious k24 (let alone a stroked b series) the best Honda engine of all time. but having driven a 90s civic, I can say a bmw 320d is the faster car and that ain't got jack on a Porsche still which is a car I've driven against, I've pushed my ff corsa to the limit to match it and it didn't even look to be struggling. I've eaten civics for breakfast, half of them can't drive for shit
