Bought the Alpha, My Observations so far

Discussion in 'Ideas and Suggestions' started by ivanoski, Aug 14, 2013.

  1. ivanoski

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    1. in game car Color changer
    2. Car select after level select.
    3. Be able to grab or flip car around with mouse
    4. Easier Camera controls, add slow motion instant replay
    5. Be able to respawn in any orientation, currently only respawns in one orientation.
    6. The car that looks like an exotic sports car is impossible to drive in a straight line
    7. Add fire or steam to severe engine damage
    8. Add Ragdoll drivers

    I have been following you guys since Rigs of Rods, I also loved the game 1nsane.
     
  2. NkosiKarbul

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    dude.. :/

    1. you can change collor allready in the material settings for the car, not really hard at all and well included in the editor system, so an additional hud panel or whatever you suggest is not really needed.
    2. is allready in the game, press ctrl+e
    3. allready known issue which will be adressed in further development
    4. imo the camera controls are as easy as you can get dunno what you mean; yes replays are needed but there are posts about that allready
    5. goes with the roation problem/bug we still have atm (see 3.)
    6. no its not, its a supercar and its a old one so dont floor it and steer carefull, try shift+b to change the steering damping/speed (forgot the right name)
    7. no idea if that idea is handled allready, there is a fire sprite allready and we are in alpha but good idea ^^
    8. handled in many threads allready too and very unlikely after all because of the time and effort it would request
     
  3. ivanoski

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    1. Not user friendly enough
    2. To further promote a user friendly interface, just how the game asks what level you want, it should also ask you what car you want, with a preview picture accompanying the selection.
    3. ok
    4. In Rigs of Rod, you could control the camera with the mouse. thus easier.
    5. ok
    6. Still not user friendly enough, I can drive any car in Grand theft auto IV in a straight line, the way that car currently handles is in no way easy to use nor is it fun, I?d rather avoid the car.
    7. yay :)
    8. ok
     
  4. NkosiKarbul

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    1. good argue, for the enduser aka player who does not want to engage modding at any level should go like 2.
    2. also good argue and the way 1. should be handled too then in a finished user interface, in my opinion, i dont know how far the interface and menus are atm so i cant comment :)
    4. ohw i see, thats a inputmap problem rather than a missing feature, you can control the camera with your mouse if you have the inputmaps set up correct, there are plenty of information about that.
    6. you dont want to adjust a cars behaviour untill its absolutly "user friendly" because then ur driving a automatic gearbox with 4wd bus seats with their own suspensions and all existing assist systems you could imagine, that would be no old supercar anymore, gta 4 is an arcade game and the cars are not even driving really but hovering with connected wheel dummies, it just looks like they would but its all handled by scripts so its nothing we could take as reference to compare things to; if it is fun or not is hardly depending on your input device, as you did not engage inputmaps yet i guess you use keyboard which might be a reason. try shift+b to change the steering speed/damping dunno if that is advisable at the supercar after all so get inputmaps and a wheel or gamepad, there is a inputmap for mouse steering too somewhere.
     
  5. ivanoski

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    I would adjust the cars behavior if I could in an easier way, I understand what the game developer is trying to accomplish but that car in particular fails in making the game enjoyable without hacking a bit first, a product should be presented in the most usef friendly way possible so that the player can spend more time enjoying the game and less time trying to muck about in the many hidden and not user friendly setting to get it to work right, the exotic car, as is, is unplayable and not fun at all. Also camera controls are for people with numberpads, I am testing the game on a laptop without numberpad. My suggestions come because I really enjoy the game, I have been playing the games 1nsane and rigs of rods for a loooong time, and I just want to contribute to the alpha by firstly purchasing it to show my support, and testing it thoroughly and give my observations whenever possible. The way I test it is by playing it as I would any other game. Because I enjoy crashing that pickup a million times into the wall, it is really facinating.
     
  6. NkosiKarbul

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    yes to all of it :D please dont take my answers as absolute, its just my opinion of course, wich most likely will be different to others ppl opinion obviously. did not want to be negative in any way so please dont feel the need to explain yourself.

    as i use a 360 gamepad i enjoy the bolide pretty much, cant drive it with keyboard really myself tho and i like games and software which offer more options than i will use in the end, just for the freedom of choice of options, thats why i dont bother with the way you change the car collour for example. but as said above, question of taste i think.
     
  7. Petrovsky

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    Please tell me you're kidding. GTA is a totally different game with (relatively) unreallistic car physics. Also, if you practice enough, you can controll the supercar easily.
     
  8. Guitarman355

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    El. Oh. El.

    This game is vastly different than GTA's handling. Ive modded GTA and have messed around with handling data files. Sure it does a decent job, but this is a simulator. Drive takes things to a whole new level that GTA FIVE can only dream of.
    If its harder with a keyboard (I know because it is for me), go to Walmart, grab a (licensed Microsoft!) xbox controller and look around this forum for putting in the proper input map. Its what I did, and it makes the Boldie a lot easier to control. Still have to finesse the car :p
     
  9. cml1of4

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    GTA IV isn't even close to this game with handling. The game was designed as a physics sandbox and is super realistic. If you are put off by its handling, this may not not be the game for you.
     
  10. Joakimkn1

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    I sadly agree with him. The supercar dosnt look realistic at all, in the start yes, but at speed the rear wheels looses grip even if you just ask them to. Feels like the game is behaving like the car gets "uplift" the faster it goes, and the rear tires does cope just as bad with 5th gear as in 1th (almost). .
     
  11. bunnns

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    Wow I can drive the bolide very fast ( sorry forgot exact speed) without burning out at all.

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    Definitely not the game for you. Also what do you not get about PHYSICS SIMULATOR? IT'S NOT A TPS
     
  12. Stian Aarskaug

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    I know what you're trying to say. But remember you are controlling a simulated rear wheel drive (RWD) sports car with buttons.

    To be able to control that car with ease you would either need traction control and other driving aids, or you would need an enhanced way of controlling the car. In the last case, this exist, just connect a wheel set.

    Another thing you would need is skill. It is not at all easy to drive a fast car with RWD.

    This game is about realism and is not a arcade game. Probably most of the car games you have driven is not realistic at all. And remember, if you put grippy racing tires on that car it wouldn't spin out that easily. That is because right now the expectations you are putting to the tires, suspensions (etc.) are greater than they can tolerate.

    Basic theory tells you that it's about putting the power down to the ground. But the torque is too high for the tires etc. to keep up, they aren't able to drag the car in the speed you are asking for.

    And by turning the you also put load on the tires, because this demand grip. When you run out of grip, it will spin out. Just imagine the friction needed to push that powerful car forward! ;)


    Now, I bet this got you thinking. ;) You can't drive a car like this in real life, unless you can break the law of physics or know magic. As far as I know history has made sure people knowing magic was burned.


    First of all, it's not about what you can see. The simulation can't be seen. But you may have ment that the driving physics doesn't look real?

    Remember that many of the roads are bumpy. That means low grip and unpredictable grip variables.

    You just can't drive a car like that with that much throttling. And I am sure that with small adjustments in throttle control that car would not spin out.

    Also, it's a sports car, with hard suspension. The latter is important to make the tires pushed against the ground as often as possible.

    Another of thousands reason for you being wrong is steering control. You need to be precise and quick! Buttons just don't do it.

    Changes in gravity and also how the suspension works affects the stability of the car and how it can suddenly just fly to the sides just by making small turns.


    Argue if you want, but I tell you, you are wrong. :p I'm sure I'll be able to control this car just fine when I connect my wheel kit. Just to be clear, it's not supposed to be easy, even with a wheel. I have some real experience with this.
     
    #12 Stian Aarskaug, Sep 17, 2013
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