Bruckell LeGran

Did we get new moderators? I was actually quite pleased to see a dicsussion that wasn't an argument and was at least tangentially related to the topic at hand. I'm now sad to see it interrupted by backseat moderating

 

Well, I just thought I'd make a thread for people to discuss it so this could be related to the car more-so.

 

For everyone wondering what the bruckell LeGran is, it's the 1985 Oldsmobile cutlass ciera. look it up if you don't believe me.

 

well everybody has been over its a combination of american cars from the 80's not just one particular car let it rest

 

That is a sedan. This car is a 2-door pile of crap.

 

Wut?

 

No, it's a sedan look at the pictures gabester posted.
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I know. It's a Oldsmobile cutlass seria. It's sedan. I really don't know where KFC got the 2 door idea from.

 

Sorry i have to say it.... i cant hold myself anymore

*ciera

And yes he's probably on something :b

 

Maybe he assumed it was 2dr because the B-pillar isn't visible in the preliminary render yet...

Still, it's clearly a 4dr.

 

I don't care if we get a 2dr or not, but some of these cars had weird 2 door compatriots
1987 lesabre and Cutlass ciera

 

Wouldn't rear wheel drive probably be slightly cheaper to produce(even thought now days its mostly used on higher end vehicles)? that alone would be a good enough reason for it to exist for everyday driving.
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I love the look of that car, it reminds me of like an old Bugatti from the 30's or something

 

I know. It's a Oldsmobile cutlass seria. It's sedan. I really don't know where KFC got the 2 door idea

A 2-door coupe of the legrsn would be cool though.
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Sorry I ment legran

 

More material required for RWD than FWD. I doubt theres any real significant price advantage to either

 

How would RWD be cheaper to produce?

 

less individual parts most likely, I admit I'm no expert on suspension and front wheel drive has always been a bit confusing for me, but it just seems like the things that connect the front wheels to the differential would have to be made to be able to bend in more ways than they would have to for a rear wheel drive car, as well as probably requiring a more complex and time consuming assembly process(although that matters less now that it would pretty much all be automated probably takes only minutes anyways). as for more materials being required I only see how that would be like that if it was also front engine, a rear engine car would probably be cheaper to produce. If most cars for decades were rear wheel drive I just dont see any good reason to change that.

 

Generally speaking FWD cars are faster and marginally cheaper to make since most utilize a k-frame subframe. This front subframe is what the engine + transmission + differential + axle + suspension + steering assembly is built on and quickly lifted into the body in assembly. This can't be done with FR type cars, since the drivetrain needs to be assembled with the body which takes more time.

I suppose a FR type car built on a full frame with live rear axles to the simplicity of the 1960s would probably be faster to construct, but by the 90s an FR build would be surpassed by machine-manufactured/assembled modular subframes of a FF car.

 

Well, if you have fully independent suspension on the RWD and FWD cars, the only extra part you really need is a drive shaft (for the RWD car, to connect the gearbox to the rear diff assuming it's front engined), as the CV axles that transfer power from the differential to the wheels are exactly the same on FWD and RWD (you'd think steering would make it different for FWD, but it's not different at all, as they have rotate and bend at the same time anyway with RWD and independent suspension).
The reason most cars for decades were rear wheel drive is that they didn't really have the technology to make FWD cars cheaply until the Austin Mini came around, and popularized the transverse engine layout. After that, the rest of the world quickly caught up and by the 1980s most non-sporty vehicles were FWD with a transversely mounted engine.

Doesn't the barstow use a subframe for the engine and transmission though?

 

Yes, yes it does, love seeing that thing fly off

 

I think fwd is cheaper to assemble as you mostly just bolt in the engine and drive train as one big assembly.

 

Anyone else notice the Bruckel LeGran and the Soliad Wendover are very similar?