H22a was the 2.2. Had good torque for a 4 banger. The b18c made the same 200hp but Only 1 downside. The cylinder walls are made out of something evil called fiber reinforced metal. Can't bore them out, not as good as iron. The f23 from similar cars had a stronger block with iron walls, and it also had a 55mm main bore instead of the h22's 50. If you block off a few oil ports on the h22 head it will go on the larger f23 block. Than you throw in k20a pistons to up compression and you have an all factory part honda engine that damn near makes 300bhp. The creation goes by the name g23 vtec in case your curious to know more. When in doubt, Frankenstein.
Put more gas in. Tends to very quickly rectify oversteer into understeer. Done all 3 of those with a 99hp 1999 ford focus. You do not need power to have fun. --- Post updated --- least technical Driven all 3 layouts.
I wonder what blocking off those oil passages does for long term reliability, though. Probably wouldn't matter too much...
They just aren't there in the f series block of memory serves. Here's the write up. My power expectations are off with stock parts, but minor headwork would get you there. http://honda-tech.com/forums/all-mo...g23-vtec-build-courtesy-import-tuner-2478560/
RE: FWD debate. It is my belief that, of all the common drivetrain layouts, FF is objectively the worst, or barely second worst, for performance. I never said it was helpless, and a well-built FF can indeed hang with "better" cars, but it lacks some intrinsic advantages that other layouts have. I would say that MR is probably the best for ultimate speed, while FR is less psychotic and is very close on speed (especially FMR cars like the new Corvette). AWD can be anything from "better than FR" to "distant 3rd" depending on the setup. RR and FF, all other things being equal, are probably pretty close, and also not good, though I would probably still put FF on the bottom.
Even I feel a bit triggered with all you guys bagging front wheel drive cars. There has been many points made that are completely false and biased making me doubt whether some of you have actually had fun or atleast driven an FWD car. Yes they may have shitty launches and occasional understeer but they are much more predictable and easy to drive on the limit. They are often several hundred kilos lighter than RWD cars and several hundred more than that with AWD cars. Go on the facebook page Hillclimb monsters and look at all the FWD hillclimb cars making around 150-250hp, although they have a much lower top speed there cornering speed is a shit ton higher than any RWD or AWD car considering that there tyres are smaller and many have a much less aggressive aero package. /rant
Reading people defending FWD makes me feel really old, I can't understand how it can be fun, 50-300hp and it is about same, works completely opposite way than your brain would think, compared to RWD it never gets anywhere close. At best FWD can be tolerated, but it is not fun, spinning tires of FWD car looks really ridiculous and pathetic too. Passenger jet is quite fast too, but it is not very fun either. However RWD cars are such rarity that kids that have got license in last 10 years have mostly only heard about such things, never driven one. Thing is, more throttle, more turning, less throttle, less turning, right foot is part of the turning. With FWD you have to use left foot on brake to get it around the bend and all sort of weird things that are completely unnatural. I guess I did mention, I'm feeling old? Maybe it is just that, world is not for me anymore, it is for younger generations
And there's my big problem with the layout. If I wanted something easy to drive, I would play a video game. I like driving, not steering with occasional pedal inputs. Rev matching correctly mid-turn so as to not upset the car, sawing at the wheel, feeling the rear axle talk to me, drifting. Almost every single bit of that excitement is missing from the FWD layout. There's more to going fast than just going fast. You have to have fun while doing it.
Something something kids these days... Something something better in my day... I'm not gonna lie, I haven't driven RWD or AWD in real life. But I quite like to do the occasional sim racing mostly in Assetto Corsa on twisty roads. I drive the cars in that game with whatever transmission they are fitted with, manual is fine for me because I have never driven an automatic car. A FWD car can be just as fun as any RWD or AWD car. They require a different driving style, however they are just as engaging to drive. The Porsche's, the Lotus's, the audi's and the Alfa's are all great to drive and all offer a different challenge and driving style. Personal favourites would probably be the Lotus 49 (which is just superb) and Lotus Evora, however I am also a big fan of Lotus.
Pray tell what is so incognito about such a bed? Is it longer? I can't understand this way of thinking. Who do you think your fooling? I bet you and the others have only driven soft stock economy fwd cars because that what most if them are compared to the average rwd sports car. Yeah that stock 90s focus or civic will be spongy and crappy especially with 20 year old shocks and bushings. How about with proper correct height coilovers, poly bushings, and sway bars? If You think you'll get bored driving that car, that It will quickly be beneath your skill level is a complete farce. If you can tell me these little fwd hot hatches I've been posting can't be seen as drivers cars, than your the one with your eyes closed I think. Drifting is fun not fast.
Okay, I admit one thing, modern RWD cars are about as boring as modern FWD cars, but still there is this thing that is not in sims, how car feels to your butt, how steering feels etc. Older RWD car without power steering is really lot of fun on twisties, you don't even need lot of power or stiff suspension, just move that COG around, it doesn't do anything for you, you have to work it, that is most fun. Games really don't get that very well, steering is most of the time just plain horrible compared to good RWD car, that is huge difference IRL between FWD and RWD, how steering feels and works, modern junk again can be forgotten, they have managed to make them something not so interesting.
I think that here again fun is different things for different people, I find car that goes like on rails quite boring, no matter how fast it really is, that is why I like older cars in general.
Comparing Assetto Corsa against real life driving with my particular wheel all I can say is that steering feel is pretty good, it provides good feedback and I can feel what the wheels are doing. You are correct though in that the feel of the seat is not simulated. I would also disagree whole heartedly about modern cars being boring. They quite simply aren't. Once again in this category I can only talk based upon sim's, I absolutely adore the Lotus 49, its absolutely beautiful to drive, possibly even my favourite car in the game, but the Audi A1 Quattro is also incredibly nice too. They are two totally different cars that offer totally different experiences that need to be driven differently. But both are tonnes of fun on tight twisty roads. I would also argue that modern cars are not "on rails" either. However from watching many many video's from the Nurburg Ring it is apparent that half the BMW's are only still in one piece because of the ESC. But once you turn off the traction control they are just as happy to kick the rear wheels out as any older car is. Lotus still make RWD cars with no power steering.
It's got the compartments like a utility bed has, but it's styled to look like a normal pickup bed. And yeah, I agree it does look a tad longer than a normal long bed should. Utility beds, for the uninformed. Like I said, if you try hard enough you can have fun with anything. What you prefer is all down to preference, What I do I think is the most fun? something with "enough" power, and a loose rear end, on a twisty gravel road. The main reason that I don't like FWD's is just because I can't steer it with the rear end, simple as that.
To be pedantic I would argue that you can, since lift off over steer is a thing that you can use to great effect on many of the smaller FWD cars. But I understand the sentiment of what you are saying.
With FWD most fun part for me is braking and turn in, but in RWD car exiting corner is added to that, I don't mind straights so much. With FWD you just floor it and wait, little binding with a brake, I think that is what makes it boring for me, but as said, people are different. But you really should get to try some nice 70's car on twistiest, it is totally different experience, so much that any relatively modern car does not compare at all, they are so different worlds that it is hard to think them as same way cars, or that at least is my experience.
As someone who has driven all three layouts, I simply can't agree with you. My friend generously allowed me to pilot his built (like, fully track prepared) Fiesta ST on a local windy road. In all honesty, it was an absolute blast to drive, but in a boring and safe kind of way. There was no danger, no excitement, just steering and gear changing. Same road in my Mustang was the most hilarious hour and a half I've ever had. Deep down, I knew if I fucked up even a tiny bit, I was wrapping myself around a telephone pole. Other RWD experiences were pickup trucks. Those are fun in a completely different and almost incriminating kind of way. My other FWD experiences have included the infamous Corolla of Doom... which I miss dearly, a 3rd gen Eclipse GT V6 (boring and slow, don't even consider one of those shitboxes), 3 Toyota Camry's, a Nissan Murano, a Hyundai Elantra... and a few others I'm sure I'm forgetting. Not exactly sports cars, yes, I know. But you should be able to have fun in any car, that's what being a car guy is about. AWD was a late 90's Dodge Stealth R/T. Fucking hell, I should have bought that car. It'd have 500HP by now. It communicated, was planted.... And was driven on country roads out in Indiana so I can't really count it. And, honestly, I can't count my other FWD experiences either, aside from the Fiesta (And Corolla of Doom, did I mention I miss that car?). I guess I prefer danger to safety. And preferring safety to danger is fine, natural even. But I just can't do it. Driving that Fiesta cemented my love and desire for one of those little Hot Hatches. I've always loved the Fiesta ST, and I always will. And I can respect that built EG6 Civic @amarks240 brought up. Yes, that's a fantastic car. No, you'll never convince me it's fun. This war has waged since the invention of FWD, and will always continue to wage. We're all right in our own minds and wrong in each other's.
