General Car Discussion

Discussion in 'Automotive' started by HadACoolName, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    Nice.

    Basically? Attack at 11/10ths from the word go and try to use their weight and lack of endurance against them. On straight statistics, a higher-end model, like a Tesla or something similar, might seem unbeatable, but hard acceleration eats batteries alive, and heat is the sworn enemy of a typical electric car in so many ways. First, if Top Gear's Tesla Roadster review is anything to go by, batteries and motors seems to respond to sustained thrashing by overheating and losing massive amounts of power. Also, electric cars tend to be significantly heavier than a combustion-powered equivalent, and while lowering the c.g. by putting the batteries in the floorpan might help to mitigate the effects of such in one corner, I doubt that'll do much for the lengthened stopping distances, or the cooking of brakes and tires. And since electric cars tend to come with low-rolling-resistance eco tires, well, I doubt they handle tire heat very well either. If you can set a pace that's difficult to follow/outrun, you might be able to get them to push their motor, batteries, brakes, and tires beyond their limits (hopefully gradually enough that they don't slide out of their lane/into a ravine before noticing), at which point you can cruise away.

    Oh, and never race an electric car in the rain. Lower ambient and road-surface temperatures will make this much harder to pull off, plus, if you're using competition or "extreme performance summer" tires, the traction difference might narrow or even go the other way in the rain.
     
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  2. skodakenner

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    I recently drove my sisters small skoda with 90hp and thrashed a panamera up a curvy road because that small think could handle the corners at a higher pase that the porsche driver didnt want to do the only way he could catch up was on the straights but they were short and downhill most of the time so he couldnt catch up
     
  3. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    That's actually pretty typical for a two-lane road where most of the corners are blind and thus an overtake can't be ethically completed in most places. There, the only way to lose is to get left behind, so the main use of horsepower is to give yourself a margin for error, and if in a pitched battle, to close the distance at the finish line and thus drag the fight into another round, with yourself in front. But it seems like you just happened across each other, so a less-powerful car, with a good driver, can appear stronger in that situation.
     
  4. skodakenner

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    It was an impromtu race he wanted to overtake and i just stepped on it but it really laked horsepower on the straights 90hp simply arent enough espacially against a over 300hp porsche. But its made for the city and its perfect for that.
     
  5. aljowen

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    That's not an impromptu race, that's just being a dick to someone who wants to get on their way.
     
  6. Potato

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    Coupe versions of sedans are dumb.
    Anything that has 2 doors when it could have 4 is pretty dumb.
     
  7. skodakenner

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    i was already going way faster than allowed if he still wants to try and come by he can but he must be aware that some wont let him
     
  8. aljowen

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    Especially when they are big cars. On smaller cars, fair enough, whatever. But when it is something like the Audi A5 coupé it's just a bit ridiculous, why buy such a big car that is intended to be a family style vehicle and then gimp it so badly. But they seem to be very popular, so what do I know...
     
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  9. CreasingCurve

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    @Googlefluff Have to admit, your overtake is still pretty average. The best technique when overtaking is to build up speed before you pull out so you can quickly get into the other lane at speed and be going faster than the other car. This makes sure you are in the other lane for the least amount of time possible which is useful in spaces with little space to overtake so that if another car pops out your already going faster than the car you're overtaking and most likely already able to pull back in the lane before anything bad can happen.
     
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  10. aljowen

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    Absolutely, you leave some space between yourself and the car in front so you can then accelerate within your own lane (also gives you better visibility of the opposing lane due to angles), then move into the opposing lane making the overtake at a higher initial speed allowing for a shorter overtake.

    As far as the overtaking video is concerned the acceleration could have been smoother so that it was less harsh on the car, plus its always good practice to be smooth in general since the more raw and sporty a car is the less well it will react to fast inputs. Having said that though it sounded like an automatic, so maybe its not possible to make it hurry up while being smooth? (I can't claim to have ever driven an automatic irl and don't know anyone that owns one, so I don't know exactly what is and isn't possible)
     
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  11. Michaelflat

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    I think that with an automatic it will downshift when you put your foot down, but it won't be crazy aggressive like kicking down 2 or 3 gears unless your foot is flat on the floor (I remember my mums Espace, that had a switch on the floor so it computer controlled most of the time but when that switch went down the shift patterns are overridden and it "kicks down" to the lowest gear possible (well lowest gear without over revving and going beyond the power RPM).
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    I tried to tell my mum this when she was sat directly behind this slow car (35 in a 50) and she said the car doesn't have enough power and I couldn't really explain whilst she was driving very well so we just waited for ages for this slow car until it turned off the road.

    Actually that is a point as I don't think we have done an overtake in the newest car (Ssangyong Rodius) as well it Drinks fuel as it is and well there truly isn't much power and the gearbox is particularly lethargic (also doesn't like locking up often, so most of the time up hills there is just a hum as the engine is kept at an RPM steady, like a CVT it's awful, a Mercedes Van engine droning up a hill at 2000 RPM
     
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  12. Googlefluff

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    @CreasingCurve @aljowen
    It's a manual, but I did mess up the downshift, and the upshift probably could have been better too if you thought it sounded like an automatic. By "proper," I meant that it was on a two lane road, not that it was good :p. Like I said, it was my first one, so I'll definitely take all your advice into account for next time. @skodakenner also just reminded me that I happened upon a street race earlier the same evening:

     
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  13. Michaelflat

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    I tried to tell my mum this when she was sat directly behind this slow car (35 in a 50) and she said the car doesn't have enough power and I couldn't really explain whilst she was driving very well so we just waited for ages for this slow car until it turned off the road.

    Actually that is a point as I don't think we have done an overtake in the newest car (Ssangyong Rodius) as well it Drinks fuel as it is and well there truly isn't much power and the gearbox is particularly lethargic (also doesn't like locking up often, so most of the time up hills there is just a hum as the engine is kept at an RPM steady, like a CVT it's awful, a Mercedes Van engine droning up a hill
     
  14. Potato

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    I find myself wanting another crown vic. Knoxville police is having an auction on monday, the 7th, in which they're selling 4 relatively late model police vics. Knoxville police cars a usually pretty beat up by the time they make it to auction, but seem to be in pretty good mechanical condition. Cheap, too, the one auction I've been to I saw a couple of them go for under 500 in running, driving condition. I'd like to snatch one up.
    Buuuuuuut that's the first day of school. My parents wouldn't be very happy if I skipped the first day of school to buy a car.
     
  15. B727ClassicFlyer

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    Same. I want a Crown Victoria as my first car, but not just any CV...a CVPI P71 to be exact...

    I just like the looks of an ex-police CVPI myself, and you can actually get one for about... $5,000 (Canadian Dollars) in my area at least.
     
  16. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    Coupes are much better-looking than sedans, but still retain back seats and usable enclosed cargo space. Thus, they make more sense than you'd think if you rarely/never carry more than one adult passenger. Also, they've been a feature of American and American-market car design for a long time, whereas hatchbacks are more of a European/Japanese thing, so I like coupes better by default. Unless it's a hatchback that still looks like a coupe (i.e. a liftback). Those can stay.
     
  17. DriftinCovet1987

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    What would you say about a car like the SBR4, though?
     
  18. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    I really don't know. The roofline is right on the borderline between liftback and chopped-off wagon, but more to the liftback side, and the rest of the car screams coupe, so I guess it's cool.
     
  19. Potato

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    mhm



    They look so sporty and elegant. To be fair though, both of those cars are pretty ugly in any form.
    The back seats are pretty much useless. Such a pain to load/unload. Purpose built coupes I don't take an issue with, but coupe versions of sedans suck. You're just taking a car and making it way less useful and, possibly more often than not, ugly.
    @B727TheAirliner I dont think I'd ever pay more than 2 grand for a P71, but that's me.
     
  20. redrobin

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    I stopped by a house down the street from me which has a derelict Mustang rotting back into the earth. Early 90's (I'm saying it's a '92-93), 5.0, autotragic, convertible, $300.

    No keys, no title. But I can have a key made and a salvage title made from the state of Ohio. Even if I can't restore the car, the drivetrain is worth $500, and I can junk the rest of it for $150. Either way, I come out ahead.

    I'm buying it.
     
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