General computer talk/advice

Discussion in 'Computer Hardware' started by BlueScreen, Jan 25, 2015.

  1. SixSixSevenSeven

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    Basically, different CPUs go in different sockets. Ryzen 5 and 7 go in one type of socket and so need one type of motherboard. Intel core i7 goes in a different one (in fact, different generations of i7 go in different ones).
    The AMD E1, isn't even in a socket at all, it's a tiny low end processor that's designed for such cost and size saving that you just solder it straight into the motherboard, you need industrial machinery to replace it and very few CPUs are compatible.


    Your laptop has almost no upgradeable parts whatsoever. You need a new pc. Like I'm sorry, nobody is trying to force you to spend money for no reason, it's simply that the only way you can get a faster PC than you currently have is to buy another one as you can't upgrade yours
     
  2. MisterKenneth

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    It should be evident by me asking for advice in this thread that I'm not really a computer wiz, but I simply do not understand how you can't remove a crappy CPU from a laptop to switch it for a better one. If I've heard it correctly, you can do it with desktops just fine. What makes a laptop so different? Is it because of the crammed space because they're so much thinner than a tower?

    Also, I do work. What I make varies between $150 - $200 every paycheck. It probably wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that the money I make drains faster than a Hummer on a road trip. I said earlier I end up having to invest that money in RL situations that reality throws at me.


    I still can't wrap my head around that. Stuff like this is exactly why I've said I won't ever consider building a PC.

    Well, if I can't upgrade my laptop, I guess the only thing I can do is continue to wait until whenever I can finally afford a new system, and I don't see one in my near future, unless I get lucky and somehow get all of the funds I'd need instantly.
     
  3. SixSixSevenSeven

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    Square peg doesn't fit round hole
     
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  4. mumboking

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    Depending on the size, it could, but I'm just being picky...
     
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  5. fufsgfen

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    Technology kinda is such that one needs to learn lot to be able to build something, kinda like modding in BeamNG, you can't build something without learning how to do it.

    Laptops are build differently from desktops by factories that make them, they solder CPU to mainboard, some even solder memory to mainboard, where as desktops are made so that all major components can be replaced.

    There has been few laptops in ancient times which did actually have cpu in a socket, which you could replace, but most ever built do have pretty much everything soldered in.

    There are some that even advertise replaceable GPU for example (because most of them don't have replaceable parts), like some ASUS ROG models, which cost more than any single person can realistically pay, unless having some high education and really well paying job, but those rarely spend lot of time on forums anyway.

    So replacing whole mainboard might work, if you find one that fits, they are all different sizes and shapes, it varies between each model, even some higher tier variant of same model might have bit different board that is actually using bit different lower part of the covers. Laptops are use once and dispose kind of product, like most phones, tablets etc.

    Desktop is a product which usually can be upgraded and kept running for really long periods of time, change few parts and 10 years is not a problem for a desktop.

    While both run windows, both have cpu, ram and gpu, they are completely different products.

    Look videos from youtube that show how laptop is dismantled / taken parts for cleaning, you will see how it is made and it helps to see how different they are compared to desktops.
    Even replacing fan on some HP models requires taking every screw out of the thing, taking every part out etc. Laptops are PITA most of the time, only good part is that you can carry them easier than desktop, but they suck badly in every other aspect.

    Also it does suck how expensive running something like BeamNG can get, but it is one of the heaviest games to run, however it is in early access and in alpha stage, so when game matures and optimizations start, it should run with much lower hardware requirements, but if you want to run it perfectly right now, $1000 used computer will do it, $1500 or more for new one. $500 might get you 30fps or so.
     
  6. ManfredE3

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    The laptop I use for school died and I need recommendations for a new one. I will be running programs like SolidWorks so I need something with decent specs. Aside from that I’m just looking for typical college student features. Light, durable, not too big, won’t break the bank, etc...
     
  7. fufsgfen

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    Does submitting Blender benchmark scores actually work for anyone? I did try submitting score, but it is not working. Also they have chosen to open default browser which is terribly bad practice. Nobody who cares even bit of keeping computer free of junk is keeping default browser with JS etc. enabled, preferably set default browser calls to go that big void.

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  8. fufsgfen

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    Glitch, I hope...
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    MB is terrible bad at holding voltages steady, but hopefully not that bad, usually remains within 0.2V, with best working LLC setting.
     
  9. BannedByAndroid

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    I love how people is bitching about Windows 10 is a "spyware" OS while Android, which (literally) steals more personal data than Windows 10, is ignored.
    What a world we're living.
    (p.s. please don't start a flame war okay)
     
  10. fufsgfen

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    Or Google product family in general, that steals a LOT of data.

    Then there are things like fb discord etc.

    Spying in Windows 10 at least is easy to stop, those others require bit more actions.

    I think there is some kind of telemetry even in BeamNG.

    For me Win10 dislike is not so much of spying, but UI and too much automated functionality which can't be turned off.

    Even WinXP was too automated for me and I made UI in that to look like W98 pretty much, same that I have done in Win8 as much as it is possible.

    Drag and drop of folders was pretty much perfect in WinXP with W98 looks, small, efficient, but in Win8 it took registry hacks to get full row select etc disabled, Win10 introduces even more wasted empty space in folder windows etc. Open 10 folders, each in it's own window, copy folder by drag and drop from each to each and which is fastest/less error prone is best. Sadly in these modern ones it is not as fluent, empty space might mean it still selects a folder, even with hacks.

    WinXP was better because of that (actually only with W98 looks) and many other UI related things.

    Prettyness seem to drive today more UI design than functionality, which is sad. Ok for average user maybe it is better to limit to multitasking, but I'm loosing time with such and thus I dislike.

    Now that I think about it, I did actually have W98 customized too, some update introduced some kind of annoying html content to each folder window, had to keep that off. So it can be I'm actually thinking W95/NT4 windows being optimal, guess I'm just too old to appreciate new things.
     
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  11. MisterKenneth

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    I have another question. Earlier today I was looking at gaming desktops on Ebay, and some of them I saw can actually go under $500.

    Case in point.

    Are these gaming PCs legit? Or are they a trick by the seller?

    While I've been aiming toward buying something well over $1000, but no more than $2000, I've now been thinking about considering one of those I saw, as long as they fit my needs, and they're not scams of course.
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    Quick note, one of the things that raised red flags with me is because some of the listings mention being able games like Fortnite. I could see someone easily scamming children and their parents since Fortnite is all the craze lately. The same could also be said for other popular games.

    However, you all know that I'm wanting to be able to play BeamNG (I know you could've all guessed that correctly) and Cities: Skylines, especially C:S (loading times on my current system can go somewhere between 8 - 30+ minutes.)

    I honestly still don't know if those loading times with C:S has to do with RAM or the processor. I have felt like one of those two things are what I need the most of.
     
  12. Bubbleawsome

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    Many of those drastically overstate their abilities, and are made out of old PCs. It looks like the specs are true though, so as long as you read them and know what you're getting into you'll probably be ok. Oh yeah, also assume no warranty.
     
  13. Michaelflat

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    When looking for a laptop I was really apprehensive about the fact that I couldn't upgrade my GPU anymore. I was looking at the XPS 15 2in1 and despite it's poor battery, it is a very very nice laptop. Before you say you don't need to pay the 2in1 tax, I will because pen support is lovely. (I didn't pay for the option on my tablet, and I wish I did tbh). But I completely forgot about thunderbolt 3! I could theoretically have an i5 8250u ultra book, and at home hook up a GTX 2080ti (I fcken wish :p) This opens up so much possibilities it's amazing!
    Even for laptops that don't have TB3, I could always disconnect the WiFi card and hook up a GPU. Less elegant, but it works still!


    Now with the XPS 15 2in1. I can't afford it, obviously, but I don't need a laptop right now, and if i get a part-time job and etc. in the time it takes me to save up, the price of it will decline. The dream might become a reality.

    But as this happens, my gaming PC is loosing value. DDR3 ram is quite good price right now, and considering I have 32GB of it, I can sell some off like immediately. Other than that, I don't really have much else of value, the i5 4690k isn't that good, the GTX 960 is dead meat now, but I don't know if it will dive in price.

    It's a shame really, right about now, being 16 years old. It's all too expensive, saving for driving licenses, insurance, new car. All a bit mad. Maybe I can just wait another 4 years :p Which if I am honest, is not long at all! whether I will be laying beamng, or any game, will be another matter.

    Also, I would much rather payout for an expensive laptop that will last 10 years, than a cheap one that doesn't last as long. My MacBook air 2010 has been spectacular, it's still usable, but you can tell its age a bit, it's a real warm laptop, but build wise, it has stayed up remarkably well. Such a good design, it's still being used today, with KBL CPUs! I almost want another macbook lol. just I don't really like MacOSX and thus I don't see the point in paying out. There isn't much special about a macbook's hardware anymore. In 2010, no one else had a laptop that thin, that had a GeForce card, and 7 hours of battery. In 2018, the macbook has lost it's lead.
     
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  14. BannedByAndroid

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    The current Macbook Airs are powered by Broadwell not Kabylake.
     
  15. Michaelflat

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    oh wow, that's odd. apple haven't updated it. Well tbh if there's anything to update, it's that bloody screen. $1000 and 1440x900 TN panel is just not good enough
     
  16. BannedByAndroid

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    Rumors says an update is planned, but not realized. But still, sensible people still bought XPS 13s and X1 Carbons instead.
     
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  17. SixSixSevenSeven

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    Tbf even the razer blade stealth is probably a better but than the lower end macbooks, with a rather apple-esque design too. I have the 2017 blade 14 and love it
     
  18. fufsgfen

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    Your priorities should lie in which helps you to build a family, land a solid job etc. Car and driver's license can be great help in that as not all other students will have a car, which allows you to more into social circles, which again is most important part of landing solid job and build a family, unlike school, which some might make you believe, it is important, but comes at 2nd or shared 1st place.

    Computer gadgets, well, as long as it works and is not prehistoric, somewhere really low actually at ladders of life.
     
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  19. Michaelflat

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    Agree, this the other half of me, I can't really justify it all, it's quite a luxury, and other things should come first. I don't need it right now, and thus the price will come down later. I guess I should just stop moaning and fantasising when my 2010 Macbook air takes more than half a second to open a new tab :p

    Don't get me wrong, I do find cars really interesitng, and it will be absolutely amazing when I do start driving and job and etc. But I need a laptop, and a machine that can run FH4 (which I pre-ordered). and it would be amazing to do both at the same time.

    Tbh, the only games I play are car games, and it's really debateable whether I will even touch BeamNG when I can drive, granted it will be very expensive to run a car, fuel and insurance are mad.

    Even then, I could argue that I could just get the bus everywhere, I do have rather good transport links where I am :) but then I could argue that I could just use a bike to travel. But it's bloody nice to not get soaked everyday to and from school! Even nicer having a car, where I could travel to see my grandparents more often, who are not on bus routes!

    Regardless, this has gone way beyond the scope of computer hardware :p
    luxuries vs necessities, that's a massive debate I think I've dipped my toe (and foot) in too far!
     
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  20. Jetpackturtle

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    Would this setup run BeamNG and Spintires fine (high settings at 900p):
    i3-6100 @3.7 GHZ
    12 GB RAM
    GT 1050 2GB
     
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