Guys, come to talk about tires

I find this interesting, I feel that there is something I might learn or maybe something we all can learn.

This is my attempt with base 1.5DX Covet and Beater Covet:


Next I test Hirochi as that was mentioned too.

 

Not that different, IMO.

 

I did fail at Hirochi, because of Covet over steered:


Earlier video I think I did manage to drive corner better with beater, DX probably would go faster, but I'm not that great driver anymore, slow and blind

 

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But as a dev pointed out before "non official map" also who knows if the surface type/grip is correct, map is too scale etc, etc.

I still strongly believe the tire model needs ground up rework.

 

That was beautiful drive to watch, I can't remember those corners at all.

@corvette81 That Pikes Peak is probably closest to real track you can have in any game, it is very accurately made LIDAR track, but of course I don't know about grip levels, someone else might know about those.

Here is Covet Zxi at Hirochi with 1 attempt of fast lap:


Of course understeer is present as it is FWD and I hammer the throttle, but I find it pretty much in line for what to except, nothing excessive.

With gamepad I used to have issue of turning too much and that is what makes whole lot of understeer, it is quite strong effect, I wonder if that could play part of this understeer thing, there certainly are reasons why people are experiencing that and feeling it being a problem.

 

I agree with this. BeamNG tire models aren't perfect, and there are probably better ones out there, but they're pretty good. If I do a handling test in real life, and compare it to beamng, I am willing to bet the results will be very similar. Of course, I can only test so much, I'm not destroying my tires to prove a point.

 

So the science is based on mis skewed tests is absolute but anyone with any knowledge of how complex a tire is and how it reacts with the world is wrong? kek

I am not saying I am right, hence why I said get race drivers in and do a trial, there is a lot that could be improved upon, like the lack of mechanical grip on throttle causing loss of traction and the understeer that makes no sense. A tire model is not just a patch like this |_| its a very complex thing, tires need to lean on themself, use side wall, have a large surface patch to grip to the surface, etc. The basic box node layout on the wheels isn't good enough for a complex softbody sim.

You don't have to listen to me, nothing/nobody is saying you do but think about it this way, thats hundreds of thousands of views on Jimmy Broadbent's channel, all mostly under the impression there is something worse with your physics so it might pay to investigate improvements.

This is my last post anyway, I would seriously look into the claim though.

Cheers,
Corvette

 

I think the reason why my driving is all sloppy is because I have to fight the G27 wheel because the G27 has this feature that prevents you from spinning out or cocking up, and it isn't working properly so it tries to go it's own direction.
May I have advice on this? Then I'll drive the LXi around the Hirochi Raceway.
EDIT: Here's the thread explaining the issue:
https://www.beamng.com/threads/g27-wheel-tries-to-go-its-own-way.58723/#post-949318

 

You guys are talking about all this science-y stuff and I’m just here like “when will we get square blocks of wood to replace our tires with”

I don’t actually care for this as official content, just wanted to make this comment. Last time I made a comment like this (the Fiat 500 monster truck) I think Falkrum took me slightly too seriously

 

Then again, if the tire simulation is claimed to be really good, how come BeamNG isn't popular among the simracing community? Aside from the obvious lack of multiplayer, of course. I'm going to try the game out again with FFB and maybe record a video.

 

That is countersteering effect that most cars have to some extent.

Someone with similar wheel might share settings with you, but it is important to disable most in Windows control panel and have wheel setup not too strong because if it is too strong, then you feel just one kind of force.

Also too weak is bad, wheels are bit challenging to setup well.

For example with real drift cars, you can let out wheel and it countersteers to opposite lock really fast, you kinda learn to catch it at right moment.

I have FFB strength set to around 140-160 depends a bit how I drive, but I have T150, there is lot of thoughts on my FFB thread which might be helpful for you, wish that people would post their settings and wheels used there for others to find:
https://www.beamng.com/threads/guide-to-ffb.56886


I did Green hell with a pickup truck, slowly those corners are coming back to me. D15 Custom classic is bit of a dog as that does get understeer, heavy motor at front makes corner entry understeer happen, but light rear makes it bit nervous at corner exits, almost lost it at one corner:


Something like 10:23, don't know how good or bad that is for a bone stock pickup truck, could drive much faster with skills, but I lack skills

Testing however is something very interesting to do, after all driving is pretty much fun in this or other sims, so I'm all up for testing and attempting to figure out if there would be something that could help people to get better experience.

Also there probably is lot that I don't know and testing always teaches more. At least it has already reminded me how much fun Green hell is to drive, had forgotten that during so long driving on that track

Also one thing I have learned is that Hillclimb SBR4 is very unstable at high speed, using normal steering instead of quick steering it is bit more manageable, but would like to adjust aero balance of that, or something, at green hell those super fast small turns at dowhill, first half of the track, rear end grip just is not enough I think, but that is hillclimb config and not track racing config of course.

I would be all up to auto-x day or two with Covet like vehicle, if we just could take BeamNG with motion sim there and each one of us would have hell of good time, while doing some science, sadly that is not realistically possible, but maybe someone has chance to do some proper testing of such nature

 

Probably because it’s not really possible to do any racing other than hot laps. Just look at how competitive stuff like iRacing is. I can’t imagine anyone getting that competitive over their PB around Hirochi Raceway.

Also there aren’t that many proper race cars in BeamNG, which is what I see a lot of people racing in the more realistic sims.

 

I think there is one key parameter that could explain some of these understeering complains.

Steering lock.

In most racing simulators, steering lock is half or less of what it is in BeamNG, to limit steering lock to same as your favorite racing sim, you need to set limit steering by speed in filters page so that it does not allow all of steering lock.

There is huge difference of say 22 degrees or 46 degrees.