Why is Theft No Longer a Ban-able Offense?

There is a real serious issue that seems to crop up every time someone releases a mod they claim they modeled or they made from scratch or their own sources yet when the moderator staff get involved nothing happens(from the outside looking) apart from mod removal. I would be fairly confident in assuming they get warnings/warning points but is that enough because it definitely isn't discouraging them as many are repeat offenders.

What happened to temp or perm bans for serious offences? The only people I see getting bans aren't massively deserving of them and the people I see deserving of them haven't had a ban yet. I just don't understand the injustice toward thieves, these are serious issues within the community that need stamping out not just removing their mods and never should we be hiding anyone who calls them out if you steal your name deserves to be tarnished.

Anyway state your opinion below, I don't expect many to agree considering the vast majority of the community seems to be people who love these stolen content mods but that's just the community this game has.

Yours kindly,
Corvette

 

One instance I can account is when TheRustyRagdoll stole audio from Assetto Corsa, and then when he was called out for it by @Dayz Me Rollin' he lied by saying it was his audio.

 

information wants to be free, bro

 

Problem number 1. It is quite difficult to find out who is stealing and what is being stolen, except for when it is obviously from other games.
Secondly, you can´t really sue those people IRL for stealing content from other software they have etc. or stuff them in a prison cell. It is still just a game.

Yes, I am against stealing content myself, but I think you can´t do much about that. You just have to accept that people want to look like professional modders or devs or try to get recognised.
But other than to hit that report button and let staff / moderators do the job, we as a community cannot do much about that.

Same goes for the Russian websites. Sure it´s a thing, but a small little text saying "Pls Don´T reUpLoaD" won´t help and will not prevent some dude from reuploading it to one of his 45 russian mod websites and maybe even claiming to have made it himself.
We can just hope, see and try to report it.. That dosen´t mean you should go ahead and report every modder making a car model or something. You need to have solid proof that it is just a ripped model from Forza or Assetto... or anything else really.

 

Most of the cases of stolen content are in mods which have a clear definition of who made them.
You can't sue them, but stealing content should still be a bannable offense.
You can do something about it, ban the people who are stealing the content.
We're not trying to give ourselves moderative powers, we're just trying to get content stealers banned.
We have proof, simply by comparing the examples to those in the game that's alleged they stole content from.

 

People not deserving bans.

Well, I would think there is more going behind the scenes that what is seen in public, then people that get themselves banned might not tell quite everything about it as people tend to leave out some details that might be such details that turn things totally over.

It can then get messy with many friends and friends friends making it hard to know what actually did go on in the first place.

I'm not big fan of how humans operate, prefer data and computers as they lack that emotion part which makes humans twist everything to their liking or doing things that increase this stupid reputation thing, would be so much less of stolen content etc. without such motivators.

Prefer much this:
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Spoiler: Spoiler

just create

You, My Good Binarious Sir™, deserve a cookie...

 

here you go

 

What about ports from people who actually worked to make a decent mod? with proper given credits of course.

For me i like taking models from other games cuz it saves a bit of time. i dont have to make my own textures and i already have a model base to start from.
from there i made modifications for it to be more beamng friendly.
sometimes its also nostalgia. porting flatout models to beamng is basically a want just because of the fun ive had as a child with these cars.

I dont believe everyone should be banned just because we choose to take a pre made assets.

Obvious theft where the person claims to have made the model is bad yeah. but other then that whats the issue?

 

Agree, I have no issue with using assets from other games. If all credit is given I have no complaints.

I think the main issue in this thread is about taking assets from other games and claiming it as you own. That is wrong and I'm sure everyone else agrees.

Obviously it is preferable if you make everything yourself, but porting things from another game and modifying it to suit BeamNG is fine, as long as you put time and effort into it to make it as good as possible such as creating a custom jbeam, or heavily modifying an existing vehicle's one.

Disclaimer: I am not supporting 'mesh-slaps' in any way, I hate those things.

 

This is kinda in a grey area if I am not mistaken, I mean if its proved you should face a ban for it, but if its on the edge then maybe a few warnings might be in order but its one of those topics that lurks as I said at the start, its a grey area

 

Yes as Crimson said I am talking purely taking content not made by you and claiming it, I have no problem if you take content, put in the hard work and credit the source.

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My issue I suppose is why are they getting warning points and not a straight up 7 day ban followed by a perm ban if they repeat.

Yes and no, I made this because of the sound mod(which I am told he still has more stolen on the repo but I have no proof) but this is an issue I have been sitting on for a long time. People like workclock, beamcartrade and numerous other members who joined and same day posted a thread with a mod they claimed was their own.

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It seems like this is a growing issue not a declining one so it needs tougher penalties and I don't understand how repeat offenders who have done it 3 times or more were never issued a ban.

This post was more so for my letting off steam but seeing the response I guess its frustrating more and more people who are trying to do the right thing and make mods the right way, I guess we all just want some sort of change.

Thanks for reading
Corvette

PS. This isn't me saying go and ban these people immediately, just something for future offenders, the examples listed can stay just put all thieves on warning that there is a tough new stance.