General Car Discussion

Discussion in 'Automotive' started by HadACoolName, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. Harkin Gaming

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    The stuff on the bottom appears to be where the batteries are, so it basically has a body lift kit. I am sure that they are not going to try to do a production electric truck using this generation F-150, and the next generation will come with a frame that can accomodate batteries.
     
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  2. MrAnnoyingDude

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    The modern Fiat 500 is in Europe what the original Ford Mustang was in the US.

    I saw a 500 driving down a street the other day, and I was hit with this idea. I knew there must be some reasons for that, so I started thinking and came to see a few parallels:
    • Upmarket version of a practical economy car. Just like the Mustang was a descendant of the Falcon, the 500 took the humble Panda's chassis and sold it under bodywork that did not have such low-end associations.

    • High and not necessarily expected popularity - Both of the cars were big sales success in their markets, going high up in the sales charts and having a great positive financial impact on their manufacturers.

    • Image of a car for women and young people - Few people remember it, but the Stang was sold as exactly that. While the 500's reputation comes less from ads and more from traditional perceptions of small cars, it is a fact that it is very similar.

    • Mediocre performance as stock, but an ability to be much faster - The ordinary 500 and the ordinary Mustang were both non-performers, having engines from garden-variety economy cars. However, the Shelbies and Abarths soon came onto the scene, making the machines much faster and getting quite wild at the top end.

    • Creating a new segment - The Mustang gave rise to the pony car, a compact with increased sports and luxury appeal. While the A-premium segment, largely started by the 500, did not get as big, Opel got into it with the Adam, Renault and Smart attempted it with the Twingo and Forfour, and Mini and Citroen were both considering getting into it.

    • Spawning higher-end counterparts - Mustang owners with higher aspirations could buy a Mercury Cougar, an upmarket version of the Stang's chassis. Fiat 500 owners have the same opportunity, provided by the 500L and 500X.

    • Having a controversial replacement - Both cars get on with the changing times by undergoing radical changes. The Mustang II got a lot smaller and less powerful, while the next Fiat 500 is going to be all-electric.

    Do you agree with me on that?
     
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  3. SixSixSevenSeven

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    I would argue mini were already in that segment before the 500
     
  4. MrAnnoyingDude

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    Sure, just like there were earlier sporty American cars - Ford Thunderbird, Pontiac Grand Prix, Buick Wildcat and Riviera, Chrysler 300...

    But none got as popular as the Mustang.
     
  5. SixSixSevenSeven

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    But the mini was *hugely*popular and even today I see more than the 500 if we're talking modern.

    If we're talking classic, again, minis hugely outsold 500s.

    I don't see anything the 500 did and mini didnt
     
  6. MrAnnoyingDude

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    Maybe in the UK, but in Europe in general the 500 beats it.

    The Mini is the Thunderbird here - kinda popular in its own right, but the 500/Mustang highly outsold it.
     
  7. rottenfitzy

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    Not in the modern day US!
     
  8. aljowen

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    I think the problem that the fiat 500 currently has is that they are old cars now. And even with a design refresh, it is hard to change how they look substantialy enough to make people interested again, without loosing why people liked them.

    I think it's going to be interesting to see how the new generation of small fashionable cars does. The Honda Urban EV for example has gotten a lot of attention, but with such a short range, and high price, is anyone going to buy it?
     
  9. 8IGHT.OINT3HREE

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    Does anyone know what this car is? I saw it in my neighborhood
    IMG_20190725_102915.jpg
     
  10. Alex_Farmer557

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    chrysler crossfire?
     
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  11. 8IGHT.OINT3HREE

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    ok
     
  12. MisterKenneth

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    Yep, definitely a Crossfire.
     
  13. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    With what looks to be a rather poorly-applied racing stripe, no less.

    Base-trim Crossfire drivers here in Alaska tend to be the craziest drivers I've ever seen. Not sure what it is about this particular model, but if you ever decide to buy a used one, keep in mind that it's probably led a very hard life. At least if it comes from Alaska.
     
  14. rottenfitzy

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    Any alaskan car has lead a hard life.
     
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  15. vmlinuz

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    What if Chevy made a dual-motor electric Blazer? Something like 600 HP and all wheel drive with a fairly basic interior? That might be the only SUV I could tolerate.
     
  16. Cutlass

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    yup
     
  17. MisterKenneth

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    I didn't even see the stripe. I thought I saw a reflection of light.
     
  18. 8IGHT.OINT3HREE

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    dude I saw this guy pull away in that car and he was at least going 10 kms over the speed limit I thought he was gonna hit me lol
    but I don't live in alaska
     
  19. Ytrewq

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    It is an insult to the Mustang to compare it with some ugly blob that apes a car from 50 years ago to grab cash from people with complete lack of taste.
    The modern Fiat 500 is just another boring A-segment car with extra cringe.
     
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  20. MrAnnoyingDude

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    The Mustang also was a rebodying cash grab, done on the Falcon.
     
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