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Discussion in 'Automotive' started by HadACoolName, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. MrAnnoyingDude

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    They're planning exactly that, called GMC Jimmy.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28118146/gmc-jimmy-future-off-road-suv/
     
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  2. MrAnnoyingDude

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    I have a reprint of a late 1963/early 1964 Polish used car pricing guide, originally published by the Motor mgazine.

    Before we go into pricing, here are a few details about the Polish market in 1964:

    - There is pricing for new cars here. This is because many people were given cars they didn't want by the government, so they wanted to get the money instead, and because most Western cars weren't officially sold here, so the grey market was necessary.

    - The unofficial exchange rate at the time was about $1=80 PLN. This means that 100 PLN in 1963 is about equal to about $10.50 in 2019.

    - Cars were a rare luxury in 60s Poland. In the early 60s there were fewer than 20 cars per 1000 people, or about less than 1/20 of the American figure.

    - The average monthly salary was 1816 PLN, which, as you will see, did not buy much in terms of cars.

    So, here are the prices.

    Warszawa:
    - 1960-63 - 40-100k PLN,
    - pre-1960 (also similar GAZ M20) - 20-50k PLN,


    Syrena:
    - 1962-63 - 54-72k PLN,
    - 1959-61 - 25-57k PLN
    - pre-1959 - 25-35k PLN,

    Skoda:
    - 1101/1102 - 10-27k PLN,
    - 1200s - 16-40k PLN,
    - 1963 Octavia - 95-103k PLN,
    - 1962 Octavia - 83-93k PLN,
    - pre-62 Octavia - 40-78k PLN,

    Wartburg:
    - 900cc - 30-65k PLN,
    - 312 sedan - 90-100k PLN,
    - 312 2dr wagon - 90-95k PLN
    - 312 4dr wagon - 105-112k PLN,
    - 312 coupe - 100-110k PLN,

    Trabant:
    - used - 57-65k PLN,
    - new - 65-72k PLN
    (sedans cheaper than wagons)

    AWZ P70 - 25-42k PLN,

    IFA:
    - F8 - 15-28k PLN,
    - F9 - 22-40k PLN,

    Moskvitch:
    - 400/401 - 10-25k PLN,
    - 404 - 25-45k PLN,
    - 1958/59 407 - 40-70k PLN,
    - 1960/61 407 - 50-93k PLN,
    - 1962 407 - 93-103k PLN,
    - 1963 407 - 115k PLN,

    Renault:
    - 4CV - 30-50k PLN,
    - Dauphine - 50-80k PLN (105k brand new),
    - 8 - 120-140k (up to 145k brand new).

    Citroen:
    - 11CV - 15-40k PLN,
    - 15CV - 17-42k PLN,
    - 2CV - 35-85k PLN (up to 90k brand new),

    Fiat:
    - 600 - 30-50k PLN,
    - 600D - 50-95k PLN,
    - 1100BL - 10-27k PLN,
    - pre-61 1100 - 45-65k PLN,
    - 1961/62 1100 - 65-90k PLN,
    - 1963 1100 - 90-135k PLN,
    - 1300/1500 - 85-125k PLN (up to 175k brand new)


    Chevrolet:
    - Fleetmaster/Stylemaster - 15-25k PLN,
    - Deluxe - 18-35k PLN,
    - 1958-60 Bel Air - 40-80k PLN,
    - 1961/62 Bel Air - 75-130k PLN,
    - 1963 Bel Air - up to 200k PLN (280k brand new),

    Simca:
    - 8 - 12-25k PLN,
    - Aronde - 37-85k PLN,
    - Etoile/Elysee - 70-130k PLN (up to 170k brand new),
    - Vedette - 25-40k PLN,
    - Versailles/Chambord/Beaulieu - 65-200k PLN,

    Volkswagen:
    - Kubelwagen - 10-22k PLN,
    - pre-58 Beetle - up to 55k PLN,
    - 1958-60 Beetle - 50-80k PLN,
    - 1960-63 Beetle - 80-120k PLN (up to 155k brand new),
    - Type 3 - 100-145k PLN (up to 190k brand new),

    BMW 340 - 15-25k PLN,

    Peugeot:
    - 203 - 30-55k PLN,
    - pre-62 403 - 45-90k PLN,
    - 1962/63 403 - 90-160k PLN (up to 190k brand new),
    - pre-62 404 - up to 110k PLN,
    - 1962/63 404 - 100-180k PLN (up to 220k brand new),

    Opel:
    1956-61 Rekord - 35-75k PLN,
    1962/63 Rekord - 85-155k PLN (up to 200k brand new),
    - Kadett - 75-100k PLN (up to 125k brand new),
    - pre-1957 Kapitan - 20-48k PLN,
    - 1957-60 Kapitan - 30-80k PLN,
    - 1961/62 Kapitan - 80-150k PLN,
    - 1963 Kapitan - 170-270k PLN (up to 330k brand new)

    Mercedes:
    - 170V - 12-25k PLN,
    - pre-1958 180 - 25-50k PLN,
    - 1958-62 180 - 45-100k PLN,
    - 1963 180 - up to 180k PLN (up to 225k brans new),
    -pre-1958 180D - 25-60k PLN,
    - 1958-62 180D - 45-145k PLN,
    - 1963 180D - up to 195k PLN (up to 245k brand new),
    - pre-1958 190(D) - 30-75k PLN,
    - 1958-60 190(D) - 55-120k PLN,
    - 1961/62 190(D) - 100-215k PLN,
    - 1963 190(D) - up to 215k PLN used, 300k and over brand new.

    DKW:
    - Junior - 50-85k PLN. (up to 125k brand new) ),
    - F12 - 85-120k PLN (up to 160k brand new).


    Pre-war cars were collectively valued at between 2k and 22k PLN, depending on their condition.
     
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  3. 95Crash

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    This new 2020 Chevrolet Blazer looks like a generic and forgettable crossover vehicle in my opinion, but I think the late 70s early 80s Chevrolet K5 Blazers actually look unique and somewhat interesting. I don't want to sound like an old man yelling at a cloud, but I think modern cars have boring and uninteresting body styles. I can see why people like modern cars, but I don't care that much for modern cars to be honest, plus I feel like that they are overpriced.

    EDIT: Jan 2022. Actually, not all modern cars are bad. It's been two years since I wrote this.
     
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    Just a casual engine bay flex.

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  5. GotNoSable!

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    You're a year late to this argument pal.
    Welcome to the Jongle.
     
  6. SuperAusten64

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    It's not really an argument if everyone here agrees on it, and I was the one who brought it up:
     
  7. GotNoSable!

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    "Argument" was the wrong word, meant discussion.
    And ik you brought it up but it was mentioned and talked about almost a year ago.
     
  8. SuperAusten64

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    It's the kind of thing car guys will always complain about.
     
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  12. SuperAusten64

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    I'm excited, and I really think this could become Ford's Wrangler.
    The disappointing thing is, like the Wrangler, the four-door version is likely to be immensely more popular than the more faithful two-door version. At least Jeep hasn't stopped production of its two-door.
     
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  13. Alex_Farmer557

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    Chevette front
    gogo me ford chevette
     
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  14. MisterKenneth

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    As am I. I've been excited ever since they announced its return, though while they did do an official announcement in 2017, the real announcement came in 2016 when Trump, before he was elected President, was yelling at them for moving production of their cars (like the Focus for example) from the Michigan Assembly Plant to Mexico, which turned out was being done so that the factory could be used to produce Broncos and Rangers. The reason I say this was the real announcement, is because after Trump criticized them, that's when Ford confirmed the Bronco and Ranger's return to the media.

    While I don't think it's going to happen, I think it would be a nice touch if they called the four door variant the Centurion, since that was what they called previous four door Broncos from 1987 to 1996.
     
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  15. SuperAusten64

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    I know these weren't technically made by Ford, but were they sold at Ford dealerships?
     
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    I don't know if they were sold at dealerships. I would assume they were.

    I always thought both Ford and Centurion Vehicles both made them.
     
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  17. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    Well, that's easy to say when it only works in your favor!

    It's funny because this is literally the exact thing I keep saying to the bicyclists and everyone thinks I'm Satan incarnate for it. You can rave all you want about "having a right" to ride on every dang road in the universe even if it has no shoulder and the lanes are barely a car-width as it is, at least if you believe that all driving should ever be is an emotionless A-to-B transit activity, but that's not going to make you any less annoying to other road users, normal, enthusiast, or otherwise - at least to the extent that they even think about you, which most of them don't whether they should or not.

    I would say it's about practicing lines, but you probably think it's some kind of demonic atrocity to even think about doing that, so let's go with the practical reasons not to obsessively stay in the exact center of the lane: ruts, cracks, potholes, oncoming headlight glare at night, and the possibility of having to avoid a wild animal/veering texter ahead.

    Maybe no one does - but if you can go all the way to the gutter/guardrail without a problem, then putting a tire on (or, given the way some people ride, anywhere vaguely near!) the shoulder line certainly isn't going to cause one either. Having to "pre-avoid" non-drivers who may or may not (usually not) actually be there just severely cramps what you can do as a driver and as I've said before, most people don't even bother.

    The first two, taken together, say more than I could ever hope to.

    If you want to race towards oblivion with your fingers stuffed in your ears I guess that's your decision but don't expect me to join you in it.
     
  18. General S'mores

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    I'm pretty sure they would have a 4-door version considering it's competing with vehicles like the Wrangler, which do have both 2-door and 4-door variants. But I doubt they would callback to that name specifically, probably just gonna be just referred to a "4-door body" and nothing more than that.
     
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  19. GotNoSable!

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    long bronco

    long bronco


    @Shotgun Chuck Dude actually chill out. It's a meme, welcome to the internet. Any time you speak personal opinions on here, no matter what they are, someone will differ with them and depending on how many brain cells they've lost (cough me cough) may make jokes/memes about them, it's not really anything to be upset over. I have to tell myself that c o n s t a n t l y so don't take this as a personal jab.
     
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  20. 95Crash

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    I do believe people should be able to ride bicycles, but I think they should do it on roads with a speed limit of 35 or less. Not on roads that have a speed limit of 55 mph or more. I've seen people riding bikes on roads with a speed limit of 55 and not only does it annoy me, but it is also dangerous and unsafe. Imagine people riding bikes on interstates with 70 or 80 mph speed limits. Someone could have something really bad happen to them if they ride a bike on an interstate. They could get hurt or even killed.
     
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