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Look for 4x4s. Personally way better if you get stuck in some mud, sand, etc. Plus you'll have a fun mud toy while you're at it too!

 

I saw it too, and the one immediate takeaway I got is, "this is what car culture has fallen from". It's not about any specific make or model, or the presence or absence of a given modification, or even about street vs. track; it all comes down to one dichotomy, which might be termed "rowdy versus dowdy". No one in the movie was a habitual street racer, but none of them were self-righteous "I'm the most important person on your favorite canyon road and if you don't like it you're selfish" bicyclists either. They weren't environmental activists, safety advocates, or haughty sophisticates who thought car guys were uncool - none of the protagonists were, anyway.

Something to note is that people who don't really add value to a given process and don't seem to have much reason for being there except to make sure everything is done "the company way" - people like the SCCA inspector who tries to disqualify Miles because his trunk is slightly too small, or the Ford salaryman who seems to think his job is to torpedo the GT40 project while making sure Miles knows his place - were not worshiped the way they are today. In fact, they were openly reviled. At best, they were necessary evils, at worst, they were malicious idiots doing their level best to weigh down the people who were actually doing things. To me, this holds the key to much of what has been lost to car culture and life in general since the heyday of Shelby and Miles. Not enough people out there doing things, way too many people standing around "supervising" and "inspecting" the ones who do - and being praised rather than despised for it.

Some parts of this movie may have been exaggerated for the sake of good storytelling, but still it is a roadmap back to the golden age of car enthusiast culture - for those who can see it.

 

Well with my birthday like 12 days away from as of posting this message, I have been doing a lot of thinking about what I would want for myself for then, honestly I dont demand too much I am quite difficult for getting presents for and stuff you know, but I thought I would splash out a bit and get myself a really good set of headphones, Sennheiser GSP 670 Wireless editions, just because I have had enough of the 6 hours of charging for like about 1 to 4 hours of use out of my Logitech H800s which I have had so far had 4 sets of over the past several years, as for why Wireless, because I HATE having cables across my desk! thats why!

 

I am not in the wiki group (which I was not aware existed until now) because the ability to join groups has been removed, so I'll just reply to this rant here.

The vehicle pages on the wiki are broken. None provide the same level of detail; some list development, a model overview, and a performance comparison table, some don't go into the development at all, and some are the table and nothing else. And none of them are up to the standard that they should be.

This has happened mostly because the devs have promised a documentation system meant to surpass the wiki. Unfortunately, the vehicle pages are slightly broken, out of date, and actually missing important data—like the names of the vehicles. The documentation system has been promised for nearly a year now but hasn't officially released. I have faith that it will sooner or later, but in the meantime people have nothing but the wiki to rely on for information—and that information is extremely messy, and in some cases straight-up false. I mentioned before that the Roamer's page has listed it as a mid-size SUV since its creation six years ago. It was mentioned multiple times in the page. If you pride yourself in being the "official wiki editing team," how did you miss such a simple mistake?

So I decided enough was enough and that I would make a few changes to get the wiki back up to snuff. My goal was to eventually reach the same standard as the documentation system, but up to date and if possible even more detailed. I started by updating the thumbnails for every vehicle. It was a long, grueling task that took me multiple days (especially since I don't have much free time). Then I went through every page and removed every line that said "[BeamNG] car is basically [real life car]," unless it was explicitly mentioned by Gabester or another dev (like the Burnside). After that I made a few other tweaks—the Burnside's page was named "1953 Burnside Special," so I moved it to a page without the year for consistency, I merged the Bruckell and Soliad pages just like Gavril and Burnside were, I removed all references to concept list vehicles unless Gabester had made a sketch of them, et cetera.

The other day, I decided I was going to bite the bullet (I was going to say "make a great leap forward," but I think that would have been a poor choice of words) and try a complete overhaul of a page. This would be in no means finalized, but simply a test to see what the wiki could be if it was more organized and had the necessary data. Here's a list of everything I added:

• Slogan and internal name data
• All known development images for the gallery
• Actually factual trivia
• Descriptive development information (which took a long time to find sources for)
• References
• A full table listing every vehicle configuration and every data value given (description, population, paint color, performance class, etc.)

I didn't originally plan to touch your precious performance tables because of how protective of them you were in your user page, but they were missing important information—such as 60-100 mph, 0-100 mph, 60-0 mph, braking G, power-to-weight ratio, and off-road score data. So I figured as a compromise I'd add everything that was missing without removing anything you added (wheels, differentials, etc.). I also changed the order in which each value is listed to match the in-game performance list. I didn't add any metric values for the data I added—keep in mind this overhaul was a very heavy WIP, and converting them by hand would have taken too long. I planned to add them later once I had more time and a layout was finalized. The only data I outright changed from metric to imperial was weight, because I moved it to the configurations table. Again I planned to add back the metric values later.

I did this entire process for the Covet and LeGran to start, and each page took me almost a full day. It was a lot of work, and I was hoping you'd be okay with the minor tweaks to the performance tables. It made more sense to me that they'd be in same the order and categorization as the game the data came from, and I felt like it would make more sense for others as well.

Last night, I went to bed, planning to try this on more vehicles when I woke up in the morning, implementing any feedback I had received. Instead, I woke to find that not only had you reverted the performance tables, you had also removed my largely separate configurations tables and written an extremely long angry rant in which you claimed I had vandalized the wiki and gave an empty threat to report me to the devs.

I am honestly shocked at your immaturity, your belief that only you should be allowed to edit performance data on the wiki. That you immediately dismissed my honest effort as vandalism and reverted everything without even discussing it with me. Remember that a wiki is designed to be editable by everyone. My very first edit, which was updating the SBR's thumbnail, you reverted saying only the "wiki team" was allowed to do things like that. I had to remind you of this sentence on the wiki: "Please note that all contributions to BeamNG may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors." I am reminding you of it again.

I thank Nathan24 for restoring my Covet configurations table and adding slogan and internal name values to other vehicles.

 

Tbh I don't like the new upcoming Documentation system (no offense to the devs). It is basically just the data from the game copied over and pasted into the page. It also hasn't been updated since 0.16. At least the Wiki goes into proper detail and explanation about the vehicles and their characteristics.

 

Yeah well with the Performance tables, they were there for a reason, so if you can add in the documentation system below it that would have been fine but and as for all that other stuff you added in, it was not performance related and what I did was enough all you did was added to it and stuff which was non relevant information that was not related to what I had in, all you did was morph it into something less than impressive, I had it down to what was needed, the basics, everything else was not required okay, as from now on, please dont touch those tables again....

Yeah well please dont touch them again and put in your configurations below what was already there

 

Everything I added was under the “Performance” tab in the vehicle selector. I think that makes it worth adding.

I personally think that all available information should be added to the wiki—after all, isn’t that what a wiki is for?

I think most people will agree with me on this.

 

I havent got much to say here on this....per normal its gone outta control.....

 

So you admit this entire debacle is because you can’t handle the fact that someone else is editing the wiki? That all you care about is your “reputation?”

Changing what you wrote is not vandalizing the wiki—that’s how wiki editing works. If you don’t want people adding information to your tables, don’t put them on a wiki designed to be edited by everyone.

I doubt 50 people even read the wiki, much less care about it enough to notice a change and even fewer care enough to message you.

If your reputation really has been “ruined,” you ruined it yourself by childishly reacting to those actually trying to contribute because you want to be the only editor.

 

the wiki is only useful as a reference, as i, and i assume many others, have never bothered to go to look at it for a reference.

 

It's just someone making a change to the Wiki, it's not like some stranger came up to you and started holding a gun against your head. Will you chill out?

 

Yeah man I have chilled out about it, we all had a misunderstanding about how it was laid out so chill and call it a truce, one table for performance and one table for configs happy

 

Thank you.

Let's not start this argument again.

 

Yeah no probs best to forget about it, always good to have 1 table for one thing and then another table for another thing and dont start fixing things that dont require fixing best to say we have sorted this out friendly....

@Nadeox1 we have sorted this mess out here, just needed to figure out how to do the tables correctly, better clear this all up back to post 2164

 

Anyways, to divert from that topic...

I'm working on yet another piece of character art, this time with a character with more sophisticated hair, and a lot more proportions to be considered....

so uh yeah that's it for me currently.

 

damn, it's been 2 years since i joined
time flies
here's my first post:
https://www.beamng.com/threads/vehicle-suggestions-see-first-post.79/page-338#post-812498

 

As for updates from me, to be honest not a lot happened, just work and got a funeral of a friend of mines dad to deal with on Friday so thats pretty crappy for me, I have known the individual my entire life and well its going to be hard on me knowing hes not going to be there anymore and knowing the club he worked for has a very big hole in it now thats missing him, its just hard on me since well I knew him so well and this hurts more than most things but thats for the 28th to deal with....as for a week after that well thats my 29th Birthday....I cant believe I am going to be 29 years old its crazy just crazy!

 

Happy Early Birthday! Never even knew you were 28! But in all seriousness my thoughts and prayers are with you and you’re friend.

 

Thanks for the early birthday message and yeah its appreciated, I mean the person involved was likely coming up to 66 years old and well cancer came to get him and I knew he had it for years before but it spread and well that was it for him...it was a matter of time for him...its sad though I have known him my entire life and I am extremely close with his daughter and no we are not dating but shes been my friend for almost 29 years....thats how far back we go....