Gavril D15

Pretty sure there was efi in the 70s.


Or i'm being stupid

 

Well, the references the Grand Marshal draws inspiration from weren't exactly advanced by their own right. Both the Crown Victoria and the Caprice were pretty much residues of the past that only survived thanks to the solid customer base they had acquired.

 

Like that but updated

(Edit: Just saw you have updated it. How tf did I miss that)

 

I hate being the "historical inaccuracy" guy, but in its current state, the D-Series wouldn't meet 1991 and up NHTSA light truck safety requirements. The main issue is the fact that the bench seat doesn't have headrests. Starting on 9/1/91, light trucks could not be sold without head restraints (in this document, page 7). The D-Series doesn't have said head restraints. There are several other things small things about the D-Series the make it unrealistic for the era (no bucket seat option, body colored underbody/rear wheel wells opposed to being black, no standard 8-lug steel wheels on D25 and D35 models, etc), and several things for the Roamer as well (using an identical frame to pickup, the body colored underbody thing again, no tinted windows, etc), but this is the first thing that I've found so far that would make it actually illegal to sell in its era.

 

Huh, well it would make sense for the 1991+ models to have headrests, but the older models could get away with it. I was thinking maybe a facelift for the newer models, but that wouldn't do so well with the amount of models there are on the D-Series... Unless half of the current models were facelifts or something.

 

Maybe the 6-speed is supposed to be a heavy-duty transmission, with more gears for better ratio optimization when the vehicle is slowed down by a heavy load?
Also, there is no confirmation on whether the V8s are OHC, although one person has claimed they are remarkably similar to the OHC Triton engines (which were fitted to trucks, starting in 1997).

As for my theory, I think Gavril's truck advancements may come from the brand being strong in light trucks, with Bruckell being the passenger car champion. Gavril only would strike some sort of a passenger car following after making the innovative 2000s models.

 

I am still so dumb for making that post...whyyyyy?

I...suppose that's the case. I don't imagine it'd be very reliable, though. That's why no American companies used 6-speed automatics in their trucks until the mid-2000s, and why 3-speed autos were still used in vehicles like the Ford Econoline until at least the late-'80s.

Well, yes and no. Yes, they have been confirmed to be SOHC by Gabe himself...

...but this was almost 6 years ago - well before the big recent revamp of the Gavril V8. Most of the stuff from that era (H-Series passenger van, 200BX V6/V8 swap, concept list, Pigeon being a correctly-scaled kei truck, etc.) either never happened or will never happen. Neither valvetrain has been confirmed in the Gavril V8 thread by the devs - but it seems to look a lot like a SOHC engine...

...and besides, the torque curves are more OHC than OHV. Regular (non-sport/muscle) gasoline OHV engines tend to be very torquey for their horsepower output. They're typically between 0.5 to 0.75 horsepower/lb-ft (about 0.28 to 0.43 kW/Nm).

The stock 4.5 V8 has 216 horsepower and 240 lb-ft of torque - that's 0.9 horsepower/lb-ft (0.51 kW/Nm), which is almost 1/1.

The stock 5.5 is slightly more torquey - with 236 horsepower and 280 lb-ft of torque, it's got about 0.84 horsepower/lb-ft (0.475 kW/Nm), which is closer to OHV range than the 4.5, but not close enough to make me think that it could be OHV.

I honestly don't know - and we may never know. Here's hoping that the Gavril V8s will be labeled as OHV or OHC in the next update, so we can put this debate to rest.

 

<- vortec v8 from some GM truck idc its a OHV

<- Gavril v8 from some Gavril car/truck idc its a SOHC

Also to any one who keeps saying that Gavril trucks are more advanced than there passenger cars. Please tell me what a 94' Chevy Impala has over a 94' Silverado in terms of mechanical technology. Also last time I'm going to say this the 6-speed is HD transmission only used on H35 trucks with the exception of the H25 vanster

 

Well, the Hydramatic was pretty reliable, and it had 4 speeds in the 1930s. The number of gears is more of a factor in cost than reliability.

That clears things up, as the overall model shape has not changed up much since then.

As for why Gavril is doing so well in trucks and can experiment - I have the idea that Gavril made big mistakes in cars in the 70s and 80s.

The first mistake would be not downsizing their cars in the late 70s, instead sticking with big cars right before the 1979 crisis.

The second one would be keeping Burnside as a fullsize-only brand, like Chrysler did with their namesake brand until the 70s, making it unable to compete in the 80s market where fullsize cars were becoming irrelevant.

The third one would be a bit of alternate history - Gavril, just like Ford in the 80s, bet on gas staying cheap, while Bruckell, like GM, banked on the gas prices going up. Only that in the Beamverse gas did get expensive (war in the Middle East? earlier and more tumultous fall of the USSR?), so Gavril was the one that had its strategy fail and Bruckell's FWD cars were winners.

 

or, you know, gavril has FWD compact cars, but we just don't have any in game...

 

It's not that they wouldn't have those, it's that their big car (and probably also small car) efforts wouldn't be successful.

 

Unlikey Ford made a lot of sucessful FWD Car's i expect Gavril to do the same as Beam World = IRL World

 

Well, we have some really out-there stuff. SBR4? Japanese Wrangler? Modern French car with five cylinders?

And Gavril is neither Chevy nor Ford, and it might actually be closer to Chevy (C/K-like truck, LWB fullsize SUV in the 90s, 2-speed automatic, etc.)

 

I would hardly call the LeGran a winner - it's such a piece of junk, it could even be the car that did the brand in! (EDIT: according to the trailer, it was a best-seller. Disregard this)

Also, similarities with Oldsmobile, together with Gavril and Burnside's similarities with other GM brands, lead me to think Bruckell is a division of the same company as Gavril (the mass-market division, like Chevy) and Burnside (a flagship marque, most similar to Imperial).

And while we're blindly speculating about lore here: Certain aspects of each car hint at significant differences between the Beamverse and our own:

Spoiler: Blind speculation

• The Autobello seems to play the role of the VW Typ 1 in BeamNG, despite having entered production much later. This points to BeamNG's World War II occurring perhaps a decade later than ours, with Italy being the major Axis power in Europe rather than Germany. (One can only wonder what the later war meant for nuclear weapons - either they were developed later, or were used more widely in Beam War II!)
  
• The Bruckell Moonhawk stuck to its big-block guns even through 1975 - the earliest evidence of downsized anything comes with the LeGran in 1985. Maybe the first oil crisis didn't happen at all in BeamNG.
• The Hirochi Sunburst, clearly a budget-oriented car, went unchanged from 2009 to 2014. It looks like a recession car, even though the Great Recession was from 2007 to 2009. BeamNG's Great Recession must have happened later or lasted longer - in the former case, it could have flipped the outcome of the 2008 election, and in the latter, the 2012 election.
• The aforementioned McCain or Romney administration, whether or not you agree with their policies, is partly responsible for the SBR4. A sizeable step forwards in performance, and backwards in safety, the SBR4 could only have entered the U.S. market as a production model with significant deregulation of the auto industry.
• Finally, the Cherrier Vivace sports numerous gasoline and diesel options at a time when, in our world, any-cylinder engines (let alone I5's) are falling out of favor. Cherrier seems to have little concern for the environment, kind of surprising for a European manufacturer. Something must have happened some time ago that resulted in the BeamNG people taking better care of their planet, essentially avoiding the current situation on Earth Prime. @MrAnnoyingDude might be right about the USSR falling earlier!

 

According to its slogan in the official reveal trailer, it was the best-selling car in America during its production run (though it's not clarified if it's referring to its class or American brands only):

 

Americans can't mix the word quality and cars, that's why it sold well.

 

say what you will about it but the legran isn't a terrible car

 

My default is still a tuned LeGran. It can be very fast like mine which can keep up with some SBR4s using only vanilla parts.

 

Well, in my experience it's a pretty decent family car (except for the lack of attention to details, like overly loose hubcaps).

I imagine that there was a third fuel crisis, as well an economic one, in the mid-80s, and that pushed many people towards cheaper cars, with manufacturers responding by offering fancier versions of these cars (Pessima GTz, LeGran Luxe and Special).

Well, most people actually see Bruckell as a Gavril competitor, and it could be quite a credible theory.

The Piccolina seems closer to the Fiat 600, with the styling and faux-Abarth versions. However, it may hint at the Beamverse Italy being a richer country, with stuff like the big engines.

The 378 isn't really a big engine, and downsizing didn't start until the 1977 model year.

However, what's strange is the lack of a catalytic converter. Maybe the 70s emission stadards didn't go into effect? Maybe the free-market right-wing forces were stronger?

Well, it doesn't seem that cheap - it seems on par with my dad's pre-recession Corolla, even having most of the dashboard directly copied from the Toyota.

Between this and the Moonhawk having no catalytic converters, I think that the Beamverse USA simply has a more free-market approach to cars.

I think that the BeamNG Europe is a richer, more demanding car market, and instead of the emission norms trying to cut ICE cars down, the balance is more tilted towards incentives for electric car purchases.