A comparison between the Vivace, Sunburst, SBR, and more cars

Alternative Title: Has the Vivace basically "killed" the Sunburst/SBR? (and possibly more cars)
Today, I will be comparing the newly added Vivace against the Sunburst, SBR and other. They are all sport cars capable of racing each other. Hence I will be comparing them by their fastest street-legal model with manual gearboxes (all with no ESC), and adding parts to those. Then I will be comparing them with modded configs (will be added soon). There will be two types of modded config tests, a highest power config, and a street tune config

Points (options counted for):

• Points are given by the amount of participants, minus their position (ie: If there are 9 participants, and a car gets first, the car gets 8 points plus 1 for free, making it so they get 9 points, lowest is 1 point)

Vehicle Rules:
All manual gearboxes
Class 6 and lower vehicles get their own category in this

Spoiler: Vanilla (Fastest Street-Legal Model) {Class 7 - 12}

All vehicles with a class 7 or higher street-legal config are placed here. The fastest config is picked if there are two or more. Class 7 vehicles usually have over 350 horsepower, sport or even race suspension, and usually have sport drivetrains containing limited-slip differentials and AWD.
Vehicles used:

• Vivace: 410Q Arsenic
• Sunburst: Sport RS
  
• SBR: AWD TT S2
• ETK 800: 856 ttSport+
• ETK K: Kc6tx
• ETK I: 2400tix TTSport Evolution
• Bolide: 390 GTR
• Barstow: Kingsnake
• Tograc: qE

No, I'm not adding the eSBR since that's just an SBR electrified, plus it's not faster than it's ICE counterpart.

• Power:

1. SBR (450) 2. Vivace (404) 3. Tograc (359) 4. Barstow (340) 5. ETK 800 (334) 6. ETK K (326), ETK I (326), Bolide (326) 7. Sunburst (295)
The Vivace 410 has, 404 horsepower, a bit less than the advertised 410bhp. Whereas the Sunburst only has 295 horsepower, although the SBR has 450 horsepower. The ETK 800 has a bit more than the Sunburst at 334hp. The ETK K only has a modest (compared to the Vivace and SBR) 326 horsepower, more than the Sunburst. The ETK I shares the same amount of power as the ETK K. Same with the Bolide, we have a 3 way tie with power somehow. The Barstow makes 340 horsepower, it's slightly better than the median of 326 horsepower. The Tograc makes a nice 359 horsepower with it's electric motors

• Acceleration (0-60 mph):

1. SBR 2. ETK 800 and ETK K 3. Vivace 4. Barstow 5. Tograc 6. Sunburst and ETK I 7. Bolide

The SBR just dumped the Vivace with a 0-60 in 3.95s. The Vivace, unable to catch up, was over 0.4 seconds behind with 4.36s. And well, the sunburst was dead last with 5.03s. I actually did 2 runs for the sunburst and I got the same time. The ETK 800 did better than the Vivace slightly, doing a 4.26s. The ETK K did pretty much the same time as the ETK 800 (4.23s compared to 4.26s), so they will share the same places, there's some change due to user error but that's negligible.

The ETK I had nearly the same time as the sunburst, so it shares the same position as the sunburst. The bolide, surprisingly was the slowest in this category with 5.09s, considering all of that wheelspin. The barstow had the wheelspin issue, but not using the clutch before doing the run removed the issue. With this I could get 4.70s with it. Not as bad as the sunburst.

• Acceleration (1/4 Mile Drag):

1. ETK K 2. SBR 3. Vivace 4. Barstow 5. ETK 800 6. Sunburst AND Bolide 7. Tograc 7. ETK I
It's drag racing time. A drag race shows more stats than just a normal 0-60 time. Pro-Tree on, same controler.

The ETK K, surprisingly, did the best with a 11.67, then the SBR with a 11.74, then the Vivace with a 12.1, then the ETK 800 with a 12.7, and then the Sunburst with a 13. The Bolide did a very close time to the Sunburst, also a 13. The Barstow did a 12.4. And the ETK I did the worst with a 13.2. The Tograc did a 13.1, nearly as bad as the ETK I

• Braking (60-0 mph):

1. ETK 800 (2.53s @ 105.2ft) 2. Barstow (2.63s @ 102.2 ft) 3. ETK K (2.64s @ 102.72ft) 4. ETK I with ABS (2.70s @ 111.36ft) 5. SBR (2.91s @ 100.8ft) 6. Bolide (2.93 @ 131ft) 7. Vivace (2.99s @ 106ft) 8. Sunburst (3.11 @ 114.5ft) 9. Tograc (3.14 @ 126.19ft) 9. ETK I (3.2 @ 139.5ft)

The SBR and Vivace were very close, but the SBR just beat it with a 2.91s @ 100.8ft, compared to the Vivace's 2.99s @ 106ft. And the sunburst is dead last again with 3.11s @ 114.5ft. The ETK 800 did it in 2.53 seconds, at 105.2 feet, surprisingly being the best of the bunch. The ETK K was tagging a bit behind at 2.64s @ 102.72ft.

The ETK I was behind the rest due to having no ABS, causing it's brakes to lock badly, causing it to be dead last. With ABS, the time significantly got better. The bolide, despite having no ABS, got a better braking time than the Vivace and Sunburst. The Tograc was one of the worst at braking, but that's due to it's very heavy weight.

• Top Speed:

1. SBR 2. Vivace 3. Bolide 4. ETK 800 5. Vivace (With Speed Limiter) 6. Sunburst 7. ETK I 8. ETK K 9. Barstow 10. Tograc
The SBR did an impressive 202mph before the gearbox stopped it from climbing any further. Following was the Vivace with a deleted speed limiter, very close to 200mph, only reaching 199mph. Without the speed limiter, it only reached 168mph. And the sunburst is dead last again at only 165mph. The ETK 800 did a nice 185 before being limited by the gearbox. The ETK K only did 149mph before the gearbox maxed out. Yikes... The bolide was also very close to 200mph at 195mph. The ETK I did badly at top speed with 151mph, at least it beat the ETK K by 2 mph. The Barstow was the worst of the bunch, with it's FOUR speed gearbox, it got an abysmal 132mph... The Tograc wasn't better, at all, with a top speed of 134mph, which you can't get without a mod. Stock, it had a speed limiter that topped it out at 111mph...

• Handling:

1. SBR 2. ETK K 3. Vivace 4. Barstow 5. Sunburst 6. ETK 800 7. ETK I 8. Tograc 9. Bolide
For this, I will be racing around the long version of Hirochi Raceway as a time trial with no ESC on all vehicles. Two laps, best lap will be counted, standing start, hood cam at 90 FOV, driving with an Xbox One controller.

The SBR manged to be the best with a 1:37.3. The SBR handled very well, there was a bit of understeer, but the speed and braking power made it up. Running up was the Vivace with a 1:40. It handled nicely, but I felt like there should be a bit more power and braking speed, understeer was noticable as well. And the sunburst was fourth with a 1:42.1. The lack of power caused it to have a longer time than the Vivace and SBR, and had some understeer. The ETK 800 got a 1:42.3, dead last. I could feel the understeer with the ETK 800. The ETK K still suffered from the understeer problem, but it got a 1:39.5, pretty impresive.

The ETK I handled well, but what really suffered was the lack of ABS, when I try to brake, I most of the time lock the brakes, causing me to get a terrible 1:47.4. The Bolide had severe oversteering issues, causing me to get a 1:52 due to the fact I even spun out while doing the race. The Barstow had some oversteer, but not as bad as the Bolide's. The brakes were also more tolerant before locking up allowing me to get a 1:40.6

The Tograc, was the worst of the bunch. It had more understeer than an ETK with ESC on. It was bad to the point that I actually went into the runoff multiple times. Sometimes it'll just do a snap-oversteer and then you'll have to correct it. Got a time of 1:49.1 with that thing.

• Durability:

1. Vivace (With chassis stiffening) 2. ETK K 3. Bolide 4. Sunburst 5. ETK I: 6. Tograc 6. SBR 7. Vivace 8. ETK 800 9. Barstow
Here I will smash the cars into a wall at 60mph, full width, then I will inspect the damage by seeing the deformation of the chassis, body, and mechanical damage.

With the optional chassis stiffening, the Vivace was the best performer, the damage didn't even reach to the suspension, you could drive away like it was nothing (and probably hit another car or two). The Sunburst, surprisingly, wasn't dead last. There was major buckeling of the chassis but only the radiator broke with broken steering as well. The SBR had some buckeling of the passenger compartment, with moderate damage to the front suspension, and broke it's driveshaft. Without the chassis stiffening, the Vivace had the least deformation of the chassis and body, however, it's driveshaft and engine was destroyed, making it dead last.

The ETK 800 was basically the Vivace all over again. Good passenger compartment integrity, bad drivability after collisions. Engine, driveshaft, and steering were broken. Suprisingly, the ETK K was one of the better performers. The passenger compartment and chassis held up very well, although the driveshaft broke, it was pretty driveable. The ETK I had some buckeling in the passenger compartment, had major steering issues, and when I tried to drive away, broke it's front driveshaft.

The Bolide, due to it's mid engine layout, fared very well, it steered well (against the others), abiet with moderate buckeling of the structure and heavy frame damage to the front. The Barstow had moderate buckeling, but what broke the camel's back was that the driveshaft broke, making the vehicle undriveable since it was RWD only.

The Tograc did pretty well, much like the Vivace, but the steering broke, basically ending up like the SBR.

• Price:

1. Sunburst: 31000
2. Tograc: 41000
3. Vivace (NO options): 54500
   
4. Vivace (With options): 61500 (stiffening +4500, limiter off +2500)
5. ETK 800: 62500
6. ETK I: 77000
7. Barstow: 80000
8. SBR4: 84000
9. ETK K: 108000
10. Bolide: 180000

• Total:

1. SBR (57 points) AND Vivace (57 points, counting options)
2. ETK K (50 points)
3. Vivace (49 points, no options)
4. ETK 800 (47 points)
5. Barstow (39 points)
6. Sunburst (38 points)
7. Bolide (34 points)
8. Tograc (31 points)
9. ETK I (30 points)

The Vivace definitely powercreeps the Sunburst on everything, but the SBR reigns supreme on a straight line, whereas the Vivace has handling. The Sunburst and Vivace (if you know what models to pick) can easily beat the other vehicles if upgraded to their stats however; it's cheap price makes it a good bang for your buck. The ETK 800 is basically a pass for me. For the price, you could get a Vivace. The ETK K, despite being safe and good at races, has a negligibly a better acceleration than the Vivace, has a top speed of a measly 149mph, and is forbiddingly expensive, being the second most expensive street-legal vehicle in this game.

I would also pass on the Bolide, due to it's forbiddingly expensive price as well, for only ~300 horsepower and a lot of wheelspin. You could fully upgrade a Vivace, Sunburst, or even a SBR with the price of one Bolide. The ETK I has modding potential and could beat other vehicles just like the Sunburst, just that you are better off getting a different model. The Barstow is a great car if you are willing to sacrifice ABS and structural durability, or you know, taking it to a drag strip.

The Tograc is like when you take a Vivace, and then ruin it by giving it a lift kit and a diesel engine. With handling that bad I thought I would put it in the Class 6 group, but the acceleration times were ~Class 7 territory, so it had to be here so it won't dominate the class 6 group

Spoiler: Vanilla (Fastest Street-Legal Model or Class 6 Street-Legal Model) {Class 6 or less} [WIP]

All vehicles here will be class 6 or less. Since most vehicles don't have a street-legal config that is class 6 or higher, this class is here for those vehicles. Basically it's me comparing every single vehicle in the game in this class. Class 6 vehicles usually have ~250 - 300 horspower, sport suspension, and usually very basic or no aero.
Vehicles used:

Spoiler: Vanilla (Fastest Street-Legal Model or Class 6 Street-Legal Model) {Class 6 or less} [WIP]

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  • Vivace: S 270
  • Tograc: WIP
  • '89 Pessima: GTz
  • Wentward: City

This section is WIP. More cars will be added!

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  • Power:

1. Wentward (346) 2. Vivace (265) 3. '89 Pessima (221)
The Vivace 270 has 265 horsepower, pretty middling horsepower numbers for class 6. The Wentward is the other hand, doing 346 horsepower, but it's a heavy bus. The '89 Pessima is a bit underpowered, only having 221 horsepower.

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  • Acceleration (0-60 mph):

1. '89 Pessima 2. Vivace 3. Wentward
The '89 Pessima did the best with 5.73s, then the Vivace with 6.84s.

The Wentward took an astonishing 36.9 seconds to get to 60mph, I had to switch to the Highway config as the City config failed to reach 60mph. That's like, a class 1

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  • Acceleration (1/4 Mile Drag):

1. '89 Pessima 2. Vivace 3. Wentward
The '89 Pessima managed to do a 14.2, then the Vivace fell behind only doing 15s. And then the Wentward showed them the king of slow by doing 24 seconds.

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  • Braking (60-0 mph):

1. Vivace (2.62s @ 105.81ft) AND '89 Pessima (2.63s @ 110.76ft) 2. Wentward (3.64s @ 145.4ft)
The Vivace and '89 Pessima were very close to each other. The Vivace took 2.62s @ 105.81ft, and the Pessima taking 2.63s @ 110.76ft.

The Wentward was also last on braking, taking 3.64s @ 145.4ft

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  • Top Speed:

1. Vivace AND '89 Pessima 2. Wentward (Highway Model)
The Vivace managed to do 155mph before being limited by it's speed limiter. The '89 Pessima managed to also do 155mph, but this time it was cut due to the lack of power. The Wentward did a pitiful 85mph...

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  • Handling:

1. Vivace 2. Pessima 3. Wentward
For this, I will be racing around the long version of Hirochi Raceway as a time trial with no ESC on all vehicles. Two laps, best lap will be counted, standing start, hood cam at 90 FOV, driving with an Xbox One controller.

The Vivace, as expected, handled very well, doing a 1:41.2. The '89 Pessima handled well, but the lack of power was a severe issue with the vehicle, doing a 1:46.5.

The Wentward, I don't have much to say about that vehicle, except it handled well but with a bit of understeer; the vehicle was so slow that I didn't need to even brake during the race, doing a 2:25.5.

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  • Durability:

1. Vivace 2. '89 Pessima 3. Wentward
Here I will smash the cars into a wall at 60mph, full width, then I will inspect the damage by seeing the deformation of the chassis, body, and mechanical damage. Some pictures will be recycled as some cars have been on the Class 7+ group and have been tested before

Not going to recite what I said about the Vivace in the Class 7+ group because it'll just be a copy of what you see there, you can see that for a description of what happened.

The Wentward's structure when hitting the wall completely collapsed, the front wheels failed to touch the ground, and the steering failed; overall a very poor vehicle to hit walls with, but cars will get destroyed if you hit them with this.

The 89's Pessima's had major buckeling of the passenger comparment, moderate front-end deformation, and both front wheel axles broke including the driveshaft.

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  • Price:

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   • '89 Pessima: 12000
   • Wentward: 35000
   • Vivace: 35500

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  • Total:

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   • '89 Pessima (20 points)
   • Vivace (19 points)
   • Wentward (12 points)

The Pessima is probably one of the best bang for your buck cars in BeamNG, there's a ton of parts, plus it can get to class 12 or higher with tuning, probably won't beat a Vivace, but still it's a great car to use. The Vivace, while probably not as good as the Pessima stock, can also be upgraded to be class 12 or higher. Slap on limited-slip differentials on the front and rear with a race transfer case, and add a stage 3 ECU and you will have a nice class 8 vehicle.

The Wentward... is a niche vehicle. It's good for people that want to RP as a bus driver or want to rampage around Firwood destroying police cars; but for anything else, any other vehicle can can do better.

Spoiler: Modded (vanilla cars with modded parts) {Class 13+}

All vehicles tested and tuned here will have ~2000hp (FWD and RWD only cars will get ~750hp), AWD (if available), race suspension, race drivetrain, the best aerodynamics available, rollcages, and 19x11 wheels with race tires on both sides.

Mods used are (for all classes except vanilla classes)

• 2 Piece Wheels
• CJD Special Tunes
• Anti-Turbo-Lag System

WIP!
This section is WIP. More cars will be added!

Spoiler: Modded {Class 12 'Street Tune'} [WIP]

(Well, not really a "Street Tune", more like a Semi-Race Tune)

All vehicles tested and tuned here will have ~600hp, AWD (if available), sport suspension (race brakes with semi-race brake pads, race steering), race drivetrain (race limited slip differentials and transfer cases) and transmission, sensible aerodynamics, and 17x9 (16x9 if 4 lug) wheels with race tires on both sides.

WIP!
This section is WIP. More cars will be added!

 

Your hirochi raceway times could be better

 

Interesting post, was actually fun to read
When upgrading the Vivace with vanilla parts and tuning, it is indeed faster than the SBR4 and Sunburst. Not that I dislike that, it motivates me to enhance my sunburst track config even more

 

Comparison with both modern Etk will be joy to see. They may be neck and neck.

 

Price comparison

Values:
SBR4 84000
Vivace 54500, with options 61500 (stiffening +4500, limiter off +2500)
Sunburst 31000

 

SBR4: Great car if you have money, it's basically lore-friendly version of GT-R.
Vivace: Great hot hatch, has the best sound of all, awesome handling as well.
Sunburst: Best bang for buck. Can easily wipe the other two without spending much money on it.

 

Update 2020-04-19
I added the modern ETKs, redid the runs on Hirochi Raceway, and added a drag racing segment.

 

No, because of the low handling of the Vivace, even the top-end street legal variant use both open differentials and part-time AWD.

 

Huh, didn't know that the Vivace (Arsenic) only had part-time AWD, that's why I was getting all of that understeer. The open differential doesn't help it at all either, making acceleration worse.

I might do another test where I put LSDs, and a race AWD transfer case on it (but not go over the top with the modifications)

 

The open diff actually making cornering worse because the lack of torque to the outer wheel at high g-force and high throttle. Both Sunburst and the SBR4 use full-time AWD with three LSDs

You may want to use the Powertrain Visualization UI app to watch it more clearly


Also the ESC has problem too. The ESC will try to correct oversteer, but it often ignore understeer, especially at high speeds. Sometimes the ESC even provoke understeer as shown below

--- Post updated ---

Crippleware confirmed.

 

Well just throwing thoughts out with no evidence but the sunburst is better off road since it's got a overall higher clearance than everything but the Vivace. Vivace is still to new to me to get a good comparison yet.

 

Thank you!