Okay, am i the only one who thinks the "explosions" in this game are awful?

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  1. funnycake00

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    I mean, not to be rude but it's true. it just deflates the tyres and a puff of fire appears. It would be much more realistic if the explosions where more realistic like this. Parts fly off and the car bounces, that's realistic.
     
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    Alright... well this is the first time I have ever seen one of these threads where people don't want cars to just explode like they do in GTA... so props to you on that one.

    While this is an explosion... its not actually all that energetic... even though it does create a fire ball that makes it look very "Hollywood" esk... what essentially happened here is that in the collision one of (or both) their gas tanks ruptured. Because of that rupture, and the high velocity of the impact, a lot of energy was imparted to the tank which during the rupture probably spewed gasoline all over creation. This then ignited on a spark or the hot exhaust and all basically went up at once. The pressure wave created by this "explosion" however probably wasn't even enough to blow around some paper (personal experience with that one) as gasoline has to really be properly contained to actually get any physical work out of it. That and the fire ball was so short... it probably didn't even pop the tires.

    No, all the parts flying all over the place here came from the physical kinetic energy of the collision. Cars don't really "explode" from pressure waves unless you really bring a TON of energy to the party... something that gasoline just can't do. About the worst gasoline explosion you can get in a car might... and I really mean "might"... rupture a window in a probably already damaged car... but that's about it... and the environment has to be perfect for that to happen as well. To many or to little fumes, and you probably couldn't even get it to light.

    I do admit that the fire partials in the game could use some work... along with the rest of the particle engine. For instance, fire in game you can see right through even with your car completely engulfed in flame... where as in actual fire, especially that fire ball you linked, you really can't see through it at all. It's almost like its a solid. Unfortunately I don't think we will get something like that unless the devs shift to a volumetric renderer... which I don't really see happening.

    Edit: I would also like to point out that this is a very very rare occurrence... the conditions would have had to have been just perfect for this to actually happen.
     
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    I personally thing the other kind of explosion needs some work, when the engine explodes from overrev. That doesn't look like a real explosion at all. Could anyone explain why that one looks like that?
     
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    because it's not a "shoot some petrol up into the sky and ignite it" explosion, it's probably more something like an extreme head gasket failure, so a hole is ruptured in the extremely hot engine, and a bunch of coolant and oil shoots out.
     
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  5. Zero

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    It's really not that dramatic.

    Edit: Also @funnycake00, before having that attitude could you at least research what you are talking about first?


     
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    Damn that honda refuses to die.. wow.
     
  7. SuperShep1

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    the hood should flip up, there was a mod that added it but it didnt work well
     
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    You guys are talking about catastrophic engine failure. Catastrophic engine failure is actually a fairly rare occurrence in the real world, and even more rare if that engine failure actually ends up doing any sort of extra damage to the car (popped open hood, internal dents from part ricocheting off of stuff, you know what I am talking about)



    Now somewhere where these kind of failures are more common is in Tractor Pulling. They run these things right on the edge of running and exploding, plus they get bounced around like crazy, and they usually use multiple engines to really increase that likelihood of a failure. Even still, the most violent one there is probably the one at 9:50. Even though some of these engines are blown to bits and litterly have chunks of engine falling out of the bottom of them, as you can see... they don't go off like a bomb.



    The one at 3:17 here is probably what you are looking for to happen all the time... but the truth of the matter is that even when you push everything to the most extreme of the extreme... this is still an incredibly rare occurrence.

    Now I am not saying stuff like this is impossible. My parents actually had an engine go on them which sent a piston through the hood straight to the moon. I have no idea how he did that considering the whole time I have know my dad he drives like he's the owner of a mattress company... but this did happen before I was born, so who knows.



    Again, failures like this are very rare unless you really push the boundaries of the engine. And even then it requires the perfect set of circumstances to actually end up occurring... usually something like the physical block splitting in two or the crank getting dislodged somehow.
     
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    I wish that parts of the car would at least turn black it would be if we had melting parts at least in the regular fire but it’ll more or likely be difficult
     
  10. P_enta

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    Fire should at least spread to other components and vehicles.
     
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    deleted because bruh moment
     
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  12. alentaylor22

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    Exactly
     
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    What's in the interior of a car that can explode like a bomb? The RV in Nashville doesn't count because it was rigged with explosives.
     
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  14. moses72

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    nothing, it should just look like that
     
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    This is BeamNG, not Hollywood
     
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  16. moses72

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    ok jeez dude
     
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    The fuel tank explodes at 4:17, as you can see it's nothing spectacular, albeit it's similar in game because Beam is supposed to be as realistic as possible. Personally I think that the way fire interacts with solid material is the thing that needs changing, but fire is very hard to model and program so I wouldn't get your hopes up
     
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  18. IonicOwl

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    Petrol/Gasoline needs to be atomised and compressed to explode (like it does inside an engine cylinder). Without either of those two things it just burns. It won't blow doors off or launch the car into the air, it probably wouldn't even break the windows. To include this kind of behaviour in a game that sells itself on physical realism would be an insult really.

    Exactly this.
     
  19. Jakux

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    I kinda agree. I know, it's not supposed to be spectacular.
    But I think breaking windows during explosion is perfect: Car is getting damaged, but not too damaged like flying doors, hood...
     
  20. IonicOwl

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    There's what we consider to be perfect, then there's the real world. Automotive glass is very strong and can take a decent amount of force before it breaks. This is especially true for laminated windscreens that are considered structurally integral to the car body.
     
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