So i guess im an old timer from the early days of beamng back before it was on steam in 2013 and have taken a break from everything beamng related for the last few years. I used to make youtube videos of beamng on my channel called "CaptanW" now renamed to "Polecat Creek Garage". Just got back looking at the forums and im astonished on what i have seen. The main thing is paid mods?? Like what is going on with that.... I guess that acceptable now? I guess a lot has changed since iv left the game, the games players a forum users seem to be super young now as kids. If this really the case or did i just forget everything over the years?
There was a big boom of kids finding about the game around 2017-ish thanks to crappy crash compilation videos, and paid mods only became popular within about the past month thanks to LucasBE's Cherrier Picnic. I disagree with it, but whatcha gonna do
As with almost everything in the world, nothing is getting better, only worse. I personally think paid mods are abhorrent. I don't think the community's toxicity is purely down to kids either. A lot of old timers who spend their entire lives on the forums are not at all patient or welcoming either. Not much you can do about it really.
Lots of kids have joined as Beam has risen from sim to sim based game, and paid mods are... well... rampant... but don't worry, alot of us are still sane --- Post updated --- I'll second @WhatNot98 , alot of supposedly experienced people are as bad if not worse than the kids. Just don't look at the update speculation thread and you'll be okay --- Post updated --- Welcome back though!
Same old timer. When I was "underage"(by this forum standard)in 2007, I bought FSX using the only allowance that I had. Then I found there are mods, and these things at various flight sim forums like this. And of course I download them(including said 727) from third-party websites. During that time I learned how to navigate around ads and head toward the real download link, and inspect the files carefully to spot potential virus. This ability I learnt enables me to download bootleg mods from third-party mod site and discover how crappy they are and post it in Show off the worst meshslaps thread LOL. Years later I have my own income and can afford two gaming laptops and many video games. I bought Performance, Stability, Dynamics and Control of Airplanes and read it, to broaden my horizon. Then I finally discovered these so-called "realistic" mods' flight dynamics are outright crappy, they are not just overpriced, but scams, among many shady things like putting a virus in their mods. As I explained here So Now I'm here, making BeamNG mods and no longer play flight games. I'm currently only make BeamNG mods because 1. BeamNG is a very cost-efficient game. 2. Most of the mods are free. Agreed. COVID, global warming, mass surveillance, the loss of user's rights, the loss of bodily autonomy, inequality, etc. etc... Enjoy the present, don't have any hope about the future, and take care of what you still have.
Paid mods don't seem to be acceptable because this community don't care about modders. It keeps getting brought up and ranted about over and over again. There is only 1 paid mod on the first page of land vehicles. Get over it.
Do you really like to push your twisted pro-encrypted mod agenda over every related discussion thread? Get over it
Nah, you have to admit that the fact the more you broadcast your pro-encrypted mod agenda, the less people will care about you. And you can cry about "community don't care about modders" all they long, while modders collaborate on other mods like this one.
I didn't say anything about mod encryption in this thread. But okay. I guess it fits your smear campaign agenda. Hypocrite. And by the way. That looks like one hell of a collaboration. Although 99.9% of the credits seems to have gone to turn10 studios. But you really outdid yourself on the shift logic. I'm gonna hand it to ya.
I don't understand how you've made entire mods and yet still don't understand that getting a mesh is the comparatively easy part of making a BeamNG mod...
Editing this post because I was a bit pissed when I wrote it. I'm antagonized by default player because he keeps trying to bait me into an argument about mod encryptions. Something I said in the past as a reply to someone saying it would be impossible to stop paid mod piracy. He have then proceeded to paint the picture that I have some form of agenda for this while in reality he have been the one fuelling that argument all along. I was only planning on stating my opinion. I would have dropped it at the first mention of it if he didn't keep cherry picking phrases of mine and placing them out of context over and over again, baiting me into prolonging the argument even more. And here is another example of him doing it. As you can clearly see I have not said anything about mod encryptions here, yet he keeps bringing it up. In his mind I am still talking about it yet as anyone can clearly see, that is not the case. My current stance on mod encryption is that a beam dev have said that they won't do it. And so I have dropped it already. It's not like I have the power to change this, only in default players conspiratorial mind. For this reason I was perhaps a bit overly critical about the mod he have been credited in. With that being said, I do not think that the mesh is a smaller part of a mod than the jbeam. But it depends on how much time you spend on it. In the case of the 4 runner mod, it's based on a forza model which obviously cuts out alot of time from the modelling phase.
You said "this community don't care about modders" Then immediately showed disrespect to a fellow modder(this time being JorgePinto) Who is the hypocrite here? LOL so I'm a conspiracy theorist and a baiter? MYTH: Free mods is a privilege FACT: The majority of the mods are free. Consequences: If people believe in that free mods is a huge privilege, then free mods will get marginalized. MYTH: Paid mod are also 3rd party licensed content, just like the engine sound samples. FACT: Mods are in no way affiliated with the game's developers and BeamNG stuff members have no obligation to guarantee mod quality or safety outside of this repository, while there's an agreement between sound developer and game developer in a written form. MYTH: default0.0player have been the one fuelling that argument all along. FACT: AX53 have been pushing his pro-encryption agenda all along, and only stopped after a Beam Dev Diamondback specifically stated that there won't be mod encryption/DRM. If Diamondback's wasn't reply there, AX53's agenda would continue indefinitely. MYTH: Mod encryption can prevent piracy and does not harm players who have the rights to the mod in question. FACT: Encryption/DRM-ed games gets pirated frequently sometimes minutes before release. And mod encryption harms honest customers big time, as this act takes away the right to read and the right to repair. Right to read: People can buy BeamNG and download it from Humble Bundle and read the files such as esc.lua and autobello.jbeam, even if they don't have a Windows Computer to play it. Even non-Beam player can download mods from Repository or buy mod from ko-fi and admire their jbeams. 99% of people don't do that, which does NOT means they don't have the right to do that. Right to repair: Example, in the Picnic discussion thread people reply problems with the mods, such as some engines won't start after shutting down or the sport brakes overheat when stationary. Players car repair the mod by editing it's jbeam before the author Lucas posts the mod update. If the mod was encrypted, there would be no way for buyers to troubleshoot or repair the mod by themselves. Hope you see the whole picture. Sorry this was my fault, I should have posted the link of a mod that I did not participate in modding such as the FPS Trapez, to maintain neutrality and avoid being interpreted as shameless plug. I apologize.
And that's the way he goes. Claims I have not dropped it and proceeds to dig it up once again. Most of my motivation for arguing about it in the first place have been to clarify things that he continually misrepresent about me or my motivations or what I've said. For example he brings up the "right to repair" over and over again. I have made it very clear I never meant encrypting the entire mod. Only the 3D assett in it, if the modder wish to protect it. I guess I'm an asshole for having said that then. Point taken. Just in case there is any doubt. I have dropped it. DefaultPlayer have not dropped it, and never will I guess. About the 4runner mod. Yes I can see my hypocrisy here. I generally don't bash mods and it was unnecessary. Likewise it was unnecessary of default player to use the mod in an attempt to bash me in the first place. The reason why I called defaultplayer a hypocrite is because he claims I have an agenda, while continously attacking me.
Sorry, I drop the encrypt mod and right to repair argument. No matter how much hypocrisy you think that I have, you have to admit the fact that the BeamNG's user base is deteriorating. Months ago, JsZ advertise their Patreon in their mod page, the Ibishu Trekker and the Subaru Impreza Hirochi Sunburst Hawkeye, these meshslaps were not even paid, and they got banned after people discover the stolen model. Now, CrownConcept outright post their paid meshslap Suzuki King-Quad 500, with clear indication that both the model and the jbeam are stolen. And now the responses are like "If you don't like it, don't buy it" and the threads are still there. I take it back, the tread is now removed.
Thank you. And I apologize for what I said about your shift logic. And to the entire 4 runner team for criticizing the mod. I do admit that paid stolen models might me a more sustainable market than I have argued for previously. And I agree that it's bad for the beamNG community and should be stopped.
Glad to see im not the only one who sees this stuff. After i finished college i now have some free time and would like to do a little modding with my extensive car knowledge and the know how of using CAD. Wanting to make one of the cars i own in real life.
