Update Speculation thread

One thing I'd like to see is a bit more consistency across the vehicle lineup with some details. Of course there's the big stuff that the remasters should cover (such as race interiors) and some new features (such as triggers, which the devs have already discussed the status on that... Haven't seen any word on more cars getting underglow though), but there's some stuff I haven't seen addressed which still bother me

For example, the way facelift parts are named. The Moonhawk has model years for facelift parts, the LeGran has "facelift", the I-Series has "alternate", the Piccolina has "Type A/B/C/D" and the Gavril trucks have "early/late/normal". Personally I prefer the Moonhawk's nomenclature with the model years but that wouldn't really work for cars like the Piccolina and D-Series where the model years for parts aren't always clean cut like that. Regardless, I really would like to see more consistency with how facelift parts are named.

Similar story for engine names. For whatever reason, the vintage Gavril's and the TCX are the only engines with actual names. I'd love to see all the engines in game get a series name, but even at least putting the manufacturer on there would clear things up for the engine swaps (And we still don't have an official word on what exactly the 423 Megathrust in the Burnside is... It's only used on custom configs and has a completely different model from the engine of the same name in the Gavril cars).

 

waht i also wish for the game is that they would get rid of the singular rims listing and do it like in the d-troxx wheel pack where you can choose the rim size in the drop down menu
that would be one of my quality of life improvement

 

While I understand why the names of the parts of each phase could be homogenized, I believe the way they're different is to show how each manufacturer sees their own models. It's like naming the ESC - some call it the "ESP", some others call it the "VSA" and others call it the "PTM". It's purely for differentiation reasons.
As for the 423CUI 'Megathrust' V8, there's also the next generation of it and it's called the 'Ultra-Thrust' - it's the engine being put in the Bluebuck and the Barstow.
Apart from the Gavril TCX 10.6 I6, there's also the Gavril TCM 8.9 I6 being put in the Wentward DT40L. But I completely agree on this one. There are many engines in BeamNG that could get their own names. The old 70s/80s/90s Bruckell - Soliad I4s, I6s, V6s and V8s and the modern Bruckell 3.5 V6 and 5.7/6.5/6.5 Supercharged V8s, for example, which could get some passionate names. Or the Autobello, Civetta, Cherrier, ETK, Hirochi and Ibishu engines, which could get the austere German coding, with a few letters and numbers. There's a lot of life in this matter.

 

I agree 110%, finding the right wheels is a pain right now

 

I feel like the old ways of finding it was better where it was sorted by name.

 

Engines with the brand name code or just a sequence like honda does (K20..K24) would be very useful and interesting, i think they gonna do this at some point, but not now, just imagine if you could swap a Pessima engine for Covet, and see like (Pessima's 1.8L SOHC Engine). This makes the game more "realistic?" idk, but there are some kinds of engine that dont fit on some types of car, like a V8 on a Pessima, but i would really like to do these type of swap, where you can actually change what the car is.

 

Winches were going to come.

 

My question is, what actually is it? It's used in all the aftermarket '53 Specials but none of the factory configs. At 6.9l it's comically large for the early 1950's, though engines of that size wouldn't be too crazy by the late 1950's. Is it some vintage crate motor, or will massive engines be Burnside's specialty once they get some love and this will be a factory engine? And why did the 0.8.0 changelog say that it's the Barstow's engine when it clearly is not?

This is keeping me up at night.... I need answers as to why we have an aftermarket only engine here...

 

Interesting - I tend to think of sixties cars as being all body-on-frame machines like the Bluebuck & Barstow, but after doing some research today, apparently it was industry standard for compacts like the Falcon, Corvair, AMC Rambler, and Plymouth Valiant to be unibody. More relevantly, this apparently held true on the other side of the Pacific, with the Datsun 510 and first-generation Mitsubishi Galant being unibody cars.

Live and learn - but while the Miramar will not need to be separated into body and frame, the modelling and textures on the underside are in dire need of cleaning up.

 

Yep, they're not all the same as you can see!
Speaking of the Barstow, I can't seem to understand why the body design is mixed, with a unibody for the passengers and the rear axle and a subframe with ladder frame properties for the front axle and all its paraphernalia. But what I mainly don't understand is how that subframe keeps being level and not getting wobbly while only mounting below the firewall. The Subframe Brace part should be standard.

Could it be an experimental engine for future applications? Although that doesn't make any sense because the 50s were an era of extreme powerplant experimentation (gas turbines et al). Being a vintage crate motor seems to be making sense, especially for the Lead Sled, Custom and Drag variants, since the base 313CUI 'Turbo-Fleet' V8 isn't exactly densely packed in terms of customization parts to make it more powerful.
Massive engines can become Burnside's specialty because we're talking about the crème de la crème of the Gavril corporation in terms of branding proposition, so luxury cars can use massive engines for marketing impression (say Burnside was the first one to use a massive engine like the 'Megathrust' and this created a trend and, also, a competition for engine size and performance) and for having decent performance for what they are - which is massive and massively heavy boats.

 

The thing about Burnside is that I'm not at all convinced that they're a top tier luxury marque like Imperial, Cadillac, Lincoln, or Packard. Back in 50s America, there weren't really luxury compacts and bare bones fullsizers. Size and luxury were directly related in the eyes of consumers. Yes, companies had different trims in their cars and different sized models, but they only really ever had 2 or maybe 3 chassis sizes, and higher tier cars were always nicer. That's all to say that the Burnside's dimensions don't really give off luxobarge vibes. Also the styling and interior scream midpriced.

 

Agreed. I've always seen Burnside as a mid-spec luxury maruqe like Buick/Mercury. I imagine they would've went defunct eventually like most of those marques, opposed to the top marques like Lincoln and Cadillac which have stuck around

 

Maybe the Megathrust is a sign that Burnside is more of a sporty midpriced than a luxury midpriced. The production cars seem a bit too boring trim and engine wise for either.

 

It would be interesting to see Burnside be a sporty semi-luxury marque like Pontiac was. I'm worried Soliad and Burnside would be too similar with this route, but I suppose the differences in their parent companies help differentiate them.

 

Realistically, I think the only reason they didn't call it the UltraThrust in the first place was because they didn't want to go to the effort of converting the barstow engine mesh into it, thus just making up some imaginary halfway between engine.

It was always my assumption that the MegaThrust was meant to be pulled from a late 50s-early 60s burnside, closely related to the bluebuck; it could even literally just be a re-branded UltraThrust, considering the matching power outputs.

the 313 is based on a 303 Oldsmobile rocket V8, which itself was quite powerful for its time, so it's reasonable to suggest most Burnside engines would be similar to those of Oldsmobiles, or at least similar price point cars.

 

Yeah, now that you mentioned it, for the Burnside Special to be a true luxury car back in its day, it had to be a true Full-Sizer, which is to say 5.5m at least - and I may still be wrong on this one. In any case, the Burnside brand is still in its in-game infancy (which shows in the pure lack of content regarding the whole brand) and we've got a lot to see. It could become a mid-tier brand but it could also turn out to be a full-on luxury brand and the Special to only be the first (mildly successful) step towards that direction.
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Tbh, I don't see any other role for Burnside and Soliad other than a luxury car brand for the former and a sporty car brand for the latter. After all, the bases for the related vehicles already exist: the Gavril Bluebuck, Grand Marshal and Roamer models can make for some Burnside-badged luxury versions while the existing technologies of Bruckell can also be used for making some more Soliad models other than the Wendover. The 2.2/2.5 I4s and the 3.3/3.8 V6s can make for a car like the Soliad Fieri and for a Midsize RWD Sedan like the 1978-87 Buick Regal (I actually proposed a car like this, with the 'Bruckell Palatine' name - it can either be a Bruckell or a Soliad, dunno), while the 4.4 V8 can make for a car like the Full-Size FWD Luxury 4-door Sedan I also proposed a while back.

Not to mention the Burnside Bacchus design of 2014.

 

so once again when they remaster the Moonhawk why not give it a new body that fits on the frame something like a wagon and/or a TransAm
same would go for the Barstow, Burnside, Bluebuck
they need new bodytypes in my opinion

 

Exactly. All these four cars are lacking bodyshell options. A Barstow Convertible would look ace, just like a Bluebuck Convertible and a Burnside Special Convertible would. A Moonhawk Wagon, a Burnside Special Wagon and a Bluebuck Wagon are certainly missing while a Moonhawk Sedan will be showing what a Bastion precursor could be.
Plus, a vanilla Burnside Special Ute would be great.
But most importantly, all of them will be filling in many clearly empty niches in the game lore.