Vehicle Ignition System Changes

Its the parts bin FCA Start-Stop button. Came in everything from the Dodge Journey, to the Compass, Patriot, Grand Cherokee, etc etc. A bit off topic but i thought id clarify

 

From my knowledge, there are still multiple different "ignition" states for EV:



- OFF = All acc off, remaining things running on the lead–acid battery: High voltage system is off. Basically indentical to ICE vehicle off. All dashboards screens are off.


- ACC only - used for low power ACC like the dashboard screens. Still runs only on the lead–acid battery. Probably the highest mode you wanna have the vehicle on when working on it in a repair shop to minimize the risk of electrocution

- High Power ACC - Energizes the high voltage system. High power ACC like climate and heating are now available and allow for comfort features like pre heating and pre cooling. No traction clearance, so electric motor circuit remains offline. Lead–acid battery is charged by the main battery.

- Main "ignition": Energizes the high voltage system. Energizes all ACC. Traction clearance granted, energizes the electric motor circuit in stand by. Supplies power to the motor to spin based on driver request. Lead–acid battery is charged by the main battery.

- Charging: Energizes the high voltage system all charge related systems. Possibly cooling pumps to handle the charging waste heat. No traction clearance, so electric motor circuit remains offline.


Since modern cars tend to prepare themselves for your arrival, some of those stages may be done without your direct intervention. I would assume that high voltage energizing still requires some sort of interaction on your part, because you dont want that to happen when working on the vehicle.


As far as BeamNG is concerned, I like the 3 stages Diamondback suggested.

OFF - EV doesnt move, screens dark.

ACC only: EV doesnt move, some screens display something.

On: EV does move on request, all screens normal.

 

My GMC terrain does it whenever you lock or unlock it. also the MyLink screen is busted.

 

Correct me if I am wrong anyone, but I believe that the reverse light thing is a GM thing. Any time you lock/unlock it, open the doors... whatever with the key either off or out of it and they will turn their reverse lights on... for some reason.

GM claimed that it was something for like... flood lighting before flood lighting was a thing. You will probably walk around the back of your vehicle, maybe get something out of the trunk... so in their mind they thought just switch on the reverse lights to help you.

Maybe that works... but in reality 9 times out of 10 it just makes driving through a parking lot annoying as your driving along, see some reverse lights, stop to let them out... but in reality there is no one in the car and its reverse lights are just on for the funsies.

 

I'm just a jerk who doesn't let anyone out. Fixes that problem pretty quick.

 

If you fart too loudly by the car, the reverse lights will turn on, and yes it is only a GM thing.
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I wonder if it occurs on holdens, vauxhalls, and opels.

 

I'm putting in my vote for "Off -> Acc -> On -> Off -> Acc -> On". This is how every IRL car I've seen with push-button start works when you don't have your foot on the brake. I don't see how going from "On" to "Accessory" could be more frequent than going from "On" to "Off".

My old Chevy Volt had an accessory mode (had to hold the power button for a couple seconds), and my current PHEV (a RAV4 Prime) does as well. The RAV4 just requires you to short-press the power button without your foot on the brake. It really depends on the manufacturer.

 

Just adding in my answers/votes on the questions. Thank you for taking the time to involve the community in this decision.

1) For realism, I feel the best is: OFF > ACC ONLY > ON > OFF > repeat. Same reasons as most others. Very rarely in the real world do you ever go from ON to ACC. Speaking for myself at least, I've always turned the car all the way off, then turned back to ACC if necessary. Most modern cars continue in ACC mode even when going to OFF until you open the doors. You don't need to add that detail, but it just reinforces the opinion going from ON to ACC is not typical.

2) No. I feel you covered everything keeping in mind the constraints you defined.

3) Definitely hold V / start button. This adds to the realism for older cars, and most modern push start cars allow you to hold the button to start the car even though letting off continues to crank them. Perhaps a small flag for EVs so it can optionally not require being held based on vehicle.

 

I like the ideas behind the aux accessories being affected by the state of the ignition. As someone who works around a lot of emergency vehicles I enjoy these vehicles in game. I know this isnt an emergency vehicle sim but I think the siren key could be clicked to toggle or cycle a siren or tones and a double-click to enable/disable it, (if thats possible in the controls system). Or adding a gui app. Because emergency vehicles cant be turned off during incidents because of electrics and equipment, sirens/lights have to be manually disabled/enabled unless they have a park-kill mode. So killing all the power would disabled the lightbar and sirens.

 

Making UI apps for something so simple that can be done just as well with keyboard shortcuts (they used to be easier - alt+m was the pattern, m was the lightbar pre-map update.) the overview map broke alt+m (and m) so the shortcut changed.
alt+shift+n should be fog lights, no?
Not sure where lightbar lights ended up to be honest. I manually remapped it to '-' when it happened; I can only remember so many keyboard combinations lol

 

Yeah, i remember them from jeeps/journeys ive worked on and thought that would be perfect for the ui and snipped a picture off google images.

 

it looks clean and it's informative.

 

what if the gauges in normal cars are completly zero and when they change to accesories only they do a cycle (top out and back down), tried implementing that with lua and making starter longer but it was not good
and also instead of disabling the engine when fuel runs out, leave the abbility to crank it for realism thing

 

Suggestion: Vehicle engines should always be started when doing time trials even if your regular settings has them off.

 

I like to keep "V" , I want to keep it in аrcade mode.

 

an option to enable it could be cool

 

I agree

 

Maybe the old car can be harder to start so it can take more time to start, and sometimes you have to retry to start it, because carburated engines + mechanical fuel pomp are harder to start

 

model t ripoff with handcrank when?
Could actually not be that bad off an idea, cuz there are probably enough guys who wanna mod in old cars/planes wich would use a handcrank.