Update Speculation thread

HadACoolName · Mar 16, 2023

minivanlover11 said: ↑

so 0.27 was baja/offroad theme, 0.28 might be race/track themed, i wonder what the next themed update will be, maybe it could be a road trip theme, can you imagine, different wagon variants, a minivan, more roof loads, trunk loads (like suitcases and stuff) maybe even a new rv, like the ones seen in Johnson valley, who knows,
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That is wild speculation with zero reasoning behind it, but I am 100% on board with you. That would be fantastic

bussin.buses · Mar 16, 2023

minivanlover11 said: ↑

so 0.27 was baja/offroad theme, 0.28 might be race/track themed, i wonder what the next themed update will be, maybe it could be a road trip theme, can you imagine, different wagon variants, a minivan, more roof loads, trunk loads (like suitcases and stuff) maybe even a new rv, like the ones seen in Johnson valley, who knows,
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Hopefully

HadACoolName said: ↑

That is wild speculation with zero reasoning behind it, but I am 100% on board with you. That would be fantastic
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yes

toyota.potato · Mar 16, 2023

It’s nice to see the consistency with weekly teasers

CaptainZoll · Mar 16, 2023

minivanlover11 said: ↑

so 0.27 was baja/offroad theme, 0.28 might be race/track themed, i wonder what the next themed update will be, maybe it could be a road trip theme, can you imagine, different wagon variants, a minivan, more roof loads, trunk loads (like suitcases and stuff) maybe even a new rv, like the ones seen in Johnson valley, who knows,
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I made a post a little while back running through some such ideas, I was more thinking along the lines of Drag Racing, and construction Equipment:

CaptainZoll said: ↑

I've been considering what they might do as far as "themed" updates in the future, and I've come up with a few ideas:

1. Construction/Agricultural Equiment.
-on a discussion about excavators, Tdev responded with a simple
similarly, he's made multiple allusions to terrain deformation.
-0.26 also added support for hydraulic load on engines, with it being initially added to the T-series dump truck. I speculated pre-0.27 that it would be used in the Wydra's drivetrain, but it turns out to use a bunch of "chains" (simulated as driveshafts & differentials). this feature would be used quite a lot on heavy earthmoving equipment.
-Lucas' post above this pointed out WIP code for both Winches and Ropes, (this may have been delayed content intended for rock-crawling in 0.27).
-The Stambecco also possesses Power-Take-Offs in its chassis design, though they're currently non-functional.
-There were also the two large tire props added to the game, which might have been prototypes for jbeaming larger tires, though we may have already seen the ends of that on the Wydra 4x4.
-Also, the Quarry was added to WCUSA, which may be intended to host more specific-purpose vehicles.
-It would also make sense to move into this market, as it's one of the larger parts of Rigs of Rods, other than boats/planes, that hasn't been succeeded in BeamNG.Drive.

then, for more speculative ideas:

2. Drag Racing
-As Dart pointed out, there is a drag racing tree prop currently in the vehicles folder. currently there's only a mesh, textures, and a materials json, but no jbeam is present. Mocking it up in blender with textures, this is what it looks like:
View attachment 983218 View attachment 983219
this thing could definitely be used for street racing drags, airfield drags, or perhaps NFS pro-street-esque legal events on non-drag strips.
-Secondly, the moonhawk and burnside have seemingly had their remasters delayed, suggesting they might get much more fleshed-out drag parts. Many of the old (and new) configs also seem incomplete, such as the burnside lacking a wheelie bar decent rear suspension, or a rollcage, many lacking liveries (when you'd expect at least some to have one), and the bastion using out-of-place UTR voltaire wheels on the front.
-The covet/200bx/90s pessima have all been given drag configs, and Drag Radial tires were added in 0.26 along with the "Alder Vulcan" modern drag wheels.
-A large part of drag racing comes down to tire temperature management, so it's possible this stuff is planned for whenever they can get tire thermals implemented.
-similar to the offroad content of 0.27, not many other games do proper in-depth drag racing. there's "NHRA championship", and a myriad of mobile platform games, but they all lack the detail that's potentially possible here.

3. Rally
-Rally content in the game is already quite fleshed out, There are also plenty of other games out there already doing hardcore sim-rally, but it's still certainly one of this game's natural strengths.
-The devs have recently been adding more extreme rally cars, with the likes of the Vivace, Bolide, Mr. turbo, and the Scintilla,
the miramar and SBR are the only cars that obviously lack a rally config. (I do still love the idea of a SWB I-series coupe, but we'll have to see if they think the same.)
-All they really need is a more fleshed out race set-up: I would think stages in succession, pace notes, potentially damage repair management would all be quite possible to implement with the flowgraph editor.

4. Emergency Vehicles
The stambecco introduced the first fire truck config to the game, along with yet another ambulance config.
but other than police pursuits, there's not much done with other emergency vehicles currently.
A simple "drive to this location as fast as possible" mission would perhaps not feel in-depth enough, but implementing things like "Extinguish the fire" or "Stabilise the patient's heart rate and load them onto the stretcher" are obviously out of scope.

of course, I don't think anything like these will be found in 0.28 (though the first option is pretty compelling), I would expect super-focused updates to only be an occasional thing.
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bussin.buses · Mar 16, 2023

CaptainZoll said: ↑

I made a post a little while back running through some such ideas, I was more thinking along the lines of Drag Racing, and construction Equipment:
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Since we’ve pretty much confirmed the update is racing-oriented, drag racing is included with that? Maybe drag racing will get an overhaul too.

C-: · Mar 16, 2023

2020 Cherrier Tograc said: ↑

I would definitely rather have proper hydroplaning physics with real weather instead of tire thermals. Like the “rain” goes through the vehicle.

What I’m trying say is that the developers should seriously consider adding accurate weather simulations, hydroplaning physics where you can actually lose control without turning, rain droplets on cars, and windshield wiper animations.

Devs should also add some airbags
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I'm pretty sure you don't know how impossible is that as of right now, and probably forever.

catchow1977 · Mar 16, 2023

bussin.buses said: ↑

Since we’re most likely getting a race-themed update, and it will most likely include tire thermals, maybe tires will have collision with other parts of the car, so they don’t clip through the fender, and if they rub on the body, they pop?
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And since it’s a racing-themed update, I hope derby cars are updated, as some have rusty skins, and some have numbers, so I hope they’re all standardized
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or atleast number derby skins for all vehicles with some exceptions of course like the t-series or bus

Koichiro Iketani · Mar 16, 2023

2020 Cherrier Tograc said: ↑

Devs should also add some airbags
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tdev said: ↑

Airbags are another things we tested and cannot do properly atm
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locualo · Mar 16, 2023

Agent_Y said: ↑

This is completely impossible with the amount of possible car and wheel combinations you can do in the game, if you want a universal system. Otherwise if you want it individually added per car like with the offroad vehicles, they would have to remaster most cars in the game again to make this possible, because they weren't made with this in mind. Even the Scintilla would need a complete overhaul which is ridiculous. Unless they found some weird Lua-based solution to detect how far the tire mesh is from the car mesh but that would probably need ray tracing to work.
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well they could add a coefficient to each tire and each part / car that depending on weight and some other factors affect many mechanics that are planned like aquaplaning/ tire thermals
The forward and rear thrust from the amphibious car tires is a coefficient as well after all, as long as i'm not mistaken.
I'm not saying it is easy to implement, but what is?

McBeamer94 · Mar 16, 2023

CaptainZoll said: ↑

I've been considering what they might do as far as "themed" updates in the future, and I've come up with a few ideas:

1. Construction/Agricultural Equiment.
-on a discussion about excavators, Tdev responded with a simple
similarly, he's made multiple allusions to terrain deformation.
-0.26 also added support for hydraulic load on engines, with it being initially added to the T-series dump truck. I speculated pre-0.27 that it would be used in the Wydra's drivetrain, but it turns out to use a bunch of "chains" (simulated as driveshafts & differentials). this feature would be used quite a lot on heavy earthmoving equipment.
-Lucas' post above this pointed out WIP code for both Winches and Ropes, (this may have been delayed content intended for rock-crawling in 0.27).
-The Stambecco also possesses Power-Take-Offs in its chassis design, though they're currently non-functional.
-There were also the two large tire props added to the game, which might have been prototypes for jbeaming larger tires, though we may have already seen the ends of that on the Wydra 4x4.
-Also, the Quarry was added to WCUSA, which may be intended to host more specific-purpose vehicles.
-It would also make sense to move into this market, as it's one of the larger parts of Rigs of Rods, other than boats/planes, that hasn't been succeeded in BeamNG.Drive.

then, for more speculative ideas:

2. Drag Racing
-As Dart pointed out, there is a drag racing tree prop currently in the vehicles folder. currently there's only a mesh, textures, and a materials json, but no jbeam is present. Mocking it up in blender with textures, this is what it looks like:
View attachment 983218 View attachment 983219
this thing could definitely be used for street racing drags, airfield drags, or perhaps NFS pro-street-esque legal events on non-drag strips.
-Secondly, the moonhawk and burnside have seemingly had their remasters delayed, suggesting they might get much more fleshed-out drag parts. Many of the old (and new) configs also seem incomplete, such as the burnside lacking a wheelie bar decent rear suspension, or a rollcage, many lacking liveries (when you'd expect at least some to have one), and the bastion using out-of-place UTR voltaire wheels on the front.
-The covet/200bx/90s pessima have all been given drag configs, and Drag Radial tires were added in 0.26 along with the "Alder Vulcan" modern drag wheels.
-A large part of drag racing comes down to tire temperature management, so it's possible this stuff is planned for whenever they can get tire thermals implemented.
-similar to the offroad content of 0.27, not many other games do proper in-depth drag racing. there's "NHRA championship", and a myriad of mobile platform games, but they all lack the detail that's potentially possible here.

3. Rally
-Rally content in the game is already quite fleshed out, There are also plenty of other games out there already doing hardcore sim-rally, but it's still certainly one of this game's natural strengths.
-The devs have recently been adding more extreme rally cars, with the likes of the Vivace, Bolide, Mr. turbo, and the Scintilla,
the miramar and SBR are the only cars that obviously lack a rally config. (I do still love the idea of a SWB I-series coupe, but we'll have to see if they think the same.)
-All they really need is a more fleshed out race set-up: I would think stages in succession, pace notes, potentially damage repair management would all be quite possible to implement with the flowgraph editor.

4. Emergency Vehicles
The stambecco introduced the first fire truck config to the game, along with yet another ambulance config.
but other than police pursuits, there's not much done with other emergency vehicles currently.
A simple "drive to this location as fast as possible" mission would perhaps not feel in-depth enough, but implementing things like "Extinguish the fire" or "Stabilise the patient's heart rate and load them onto the stretcher" are obviously out of scope.

of course, I don't think anything like these will be found in 0.28 (though the first option is pretty compelling), I would expect super-focused updates to only be an occasional thing.
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I'm overly late but I have to congratulate you once again for your thorough thinking!

esesel · Mar 16, 2023

Agent_Y said: ↑

This is completely impossible with the amount of possible car and wheel combinations you can do in the game, if you want a universal system. Otherwise if you want it individually added per car like with the offroad vehicles, they would have to remaster most cars in the game again to make this possible, because they weren't made with this in mind. Even the Scintilla would need a complete overhaul which is ridiculous. Unless they found some weird Lua-based solution to detect how far the tire mesh is from the car mesh but that would probably need ray tracing to work.
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??!?!! What??! That's the most bs thing I have ever read. The reason it isn't done is for performance and fidelity not because it's impossible... There is even a mod that has self collision enabled on all parts.. the 8x8 by that one crash youtuber

Aquila:) · Mar 16, 2023

I think a new q&a would be good at this point like tdev did last year. People are starting to go crazy here

LegThePeg · Mar 16, 2023

esesel said: ↑

??!?!! What??! That's the most bs thing I have ever read. The reason it isn't done is for performance and fidelity not because it's impossible... There is even a mod that has self collision enabled on all parts.. the 8x8 by that one crash youtuber
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Do you mean the CrashHard 8x8 Heavy Duty Truck? And yeah my computer would die if everything had collision. It's already laggy enough with 50 mods

Agent_Y · Mar 16, 2023

esesel said: ↑

??!?!! What??! That's the most bs thing I have ever read. The reason it isn't done is for performance and fidelity not because it's impossible... There is even a mod that has self collision enabled on all parts.. the 8x8 by that one crash youtuber
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And because of that the mod is so laggy it's literally unusable. But that's not the point.
Self-collision between normal parts is completely different than between wheels and the car. Normally you need support beams and in this case they would have to go from the wheel centers to all the points on the inner and outer parts of fenders, but each car has these points in different places so it would have to be done separately for every car, but then it would act the same regardless of the radius and width of the wheel and tire, which is completely unrealistic... The offroad vehicles can get away with a triangle-based collision instead because they have much higher ground clearance and larger fender holes, if you tried that on a normal car it would shred the tires instantly. Unless of course you reworked all node positions of inner and outer fenders, which requires adding more nodes and beams making the vehicle more laggy, it could cause it to become unstable, and it's generally a lot of work that is not worth it.
That is why if a feature like this is added, it would probably be Lua based instead of Jbeam. Someone suggested adding coefs to both the car and the tires to calculate the gaps, but that wouldn't work after the car deforms or loses a fender... But maybe it can be done by adding some extra beams that do nothing for the physics but are used for lua to calculate the distance between the wheel center and the points of the fenders, to check how much it has deformed and adjust the scraping distance accordingly. That's still a lot of work but more reasonable than doing it with physical collision.

catchow1977 · Mar 16, 2023

minivanlover11 said: ↑

so 0.27 was baja/offroad theme, 0.28 might be race/track themed, i wonder what the next themed update will be, maybe it could be a road trip theme, can you imagine, different wagon variants, a minivan, more roof loads, trunk loads (like suitcases and stuff) maybe even a new rv, like the ones seen in Johnson valley, who knows,
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or what if it was a trucking update including a t-series remaster with new cargos and trailers

Mikah 01 · Mar 16, 2023

CaptainZoll said: ↑

it's like that because that's what race tracks used to look like.

this is the nordschleife in the 1960s. looks like a normal country road, doesn't it?
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It's an autobhann

McBeamer94 · Mar 16, 2023

catchow1977 said: ↑

or what if it was a trucking update including a t-series remaster with new cargos and trailers
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Including a much needed splittable car hauler trailer with a special upfit for the T-Series, for loading cars on the truck too. This type of trailer is also good for any European cabover truck which may appear in the future in the sim.

toyota.potato · Mar 17, 2023

McBeamer94 said: ↑

Including a much needed splittable car hauler trailer with a special upfit for the T-Series, for loading cars on the truck too. This type of trailer is also good for any European cabover truck which may appear in the future in the sim.
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a cherrier or etk cabover would be very interesting

bussin.buses · Mar 17, 2023

POV: AI chatbot leaks AI improvements
I was literally just talking a bout BeamNG and then it brought up making vintage racing skins for the Moonhawk so I said the next updated is race-oriented and the AI said this:

(The AI is super smart. I brought up PBR and snow on the Automation map, and it knew they were textures and road conditions respectively, right away!)

this is a shitpost of sorts
but kind of serious

anwdr39 · Mar 17, 2023

bussin.buses said: ↑

POV: AI chatbot leaks AI improvements
I was literally just talking a bout BeamNG and then it brought up making vintage racing skins for the Moonhawk so I said the next updated is race-oriented and the AI said this:
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(The AI is super smart. I brought up PBR and snow on the Automation map, and it knew they were textures and road conditions respectively, right away!)

this is a shitpost of sorts
but kind of serious
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i was just coming here to speculate ai improvements if its going to be racing themed.... i like this very much even its false

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