Building a gaiming pc

I took WoW64.exe as WindowsOnWindows64.exe which is a windows system task consuming just a few megabytes of RAM.
Ultimately though, your original post implied windows itself consumed 5gb of RAM, total bullshit when you've just yourself shown that 20% of it is a 3d game not windows, not a fair comparison at all.

But here we go. Opened atmel studio, eclipse, arduino, energia, Visual Studio, MinGW and Idle at once, all except mingw with projects actually open.




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got 2 more stats for you. Windows 8.1 64 bit alone and idle, no applications bar task manager (force quit all chrome processes, hamachi etc etc), 1.8gb (32 bit is less). With my VM open and this very chrome window open again I jump to a "whopping" 2.9gb, makes sense, allocated 1gb to VM (which has proven absolute overkill for crunchbang which currently idles at 92.1mb memory utilisation), guess chrome and VM overhead cram in around the edge.

 

Now let's quote just to keep it in mind. No where were i bullshitting nor did i imply 1 process consumes 5 GB of RAM. I just showed up a typical usecase that exceeds 4 GB. Add video encoding and you're beyond 8 GB.

If someone is bullshitting it certainly is not me.
Also i've tried to stay on topic all the time. This thread is not about me.

 

The AMD setup stands here as high end: Requirements. Intel isnt so much far superior. When upgrading a pc AMD is reccomended. O i forgot to say i have an old pc wich is the one i will upgrade. The HW on that thing is very slow 1.25ghz and orginaly came with windows xp

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Should i go for this https://www.komplett.no/oppgraderingspakke-intel-core-i5-4460/783614 or this https://www.komplett.no/oppgraderingspakke-amd-fx-8320/771490#!tab:info just to get an idea of pricing 1000kr is 146 dollars or USD.

My budget is about 4000kr or 585 dollars

 

Intel all the way. Would also help if you would say your budget.

 

Budget in about 585dollars

 

system requirements haven't been updates in AGES, they are completley incorrect, amd FX cpu's don't have the requires single threaded performance (and that still doesn't magically make amd the same as intel, intel is still far superior when you have the money to get it)

 

Hey hey hey, wait a second. did you go on the links. check that first and tell me which is better

 

for your uses the i5 will absolutley destroy the fx cpu

 

To everyone on this thread AMD vs Intel depends on which model you buy

 

Even if you @Kristian2211 appear to be biased towards AMD, it still is a fact that the AMD FX-processor has no chance to any comsumer Quad-CPU offered by Intel. I am an AMD fan myself and still have to acknowledge that. Their CPUs are on the speed level of 4-5 years ago compared to Intel.
However they are cheap. That's why still a lot of people are buying them.

I mean, just search the forums how much people complain about the poor performance of the AMD processors in BeamNG.drive. That is not because BeamNG is unoptimized for AMD or something. That is because AMDs are just slow.

To make a silly car comparision:
1 Ferrari drives 300 km/h.
2 Ferraris still drive 300 km/h, you won't get to your destination in half the time.
And Intel has the Bugatti running at 450 km/h. Wooosh.

 

To make this clear im not leaned towards amd i am slightly more leaned towards intel

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My usage is video editing, gaming Gmod BeamNG drive and Next Car Game. Is the intel good for running beamng on high over 30 fps

 

My 4690K runs a T75 at 75 FPS, and that's with turbo boost disabled. So yes, it's good. Since it's a quad core you shouldn't see any CPU bottleneck with 4 or less cars, that's the GPU's problem if it lags. I have a 270 and it can handle 4 cars in high settings just fine.

I haven't tested it with turbo boosting on because it overheats easily, don't wanna damage the CPU. I'll enable it and maybe even OC a bit when I get a proper cooler.

 

yes, it will have no problem getting beamng over 30 fps

 

Is it gonna be like 60 or more like 40 ish

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As i understood intel i5 4460 is good for beamng and run it smooth

 

Yep. Even the most intensive cars (moonhawk, h45, t75) should run at over 60fps.

But, even the stock intel cooler should push stock speeds. If you don't mind noise use speedfan to up the fan speed. p) Up to the mids 80s is ok. Voltage is more of a danger. Try undervolting at stock. 4.0Ghz on all cores and I can wiggle down to about 1.05v. It's super cool, and still fast. I'm up at 1.28v and 4.3Ghz though so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

And for a gpu is gtx 760 good?

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Or is it better for a lower price

 

it depends on which one you are looking at

for example the EVGA SC w/ acx cooling is a very good choice

while the stock 760 isn't as good of a choice

 

More like 100 with most cars, 70 with the T-75. Again, this is without turbo boosting.

If you're getting an i5, just get a 4690K and forget about upgrading for a long time. Point is, most modern games are mostly graphics intensive and use less than half of a high-end CPU's power. Which means you should be fine with a current gen high-end CPU for at least the next four years. Heck, I know people who own rigs still running on C2D's and they can play modern games as well as I can. And since the 4690K is unlocked, when you're running short on power you can just overclock and delay a CPU upgrade. Can't do that with a mid-range, locked CPU.

When buying a GPU, however, it doesn't really make sense to get a very high-end GPU unless you really need it, because each generation is so much better than the last one. The 970's performance is between that of the 780 and 780 Ti, and much more powerful than the 680. The 980 beats the more expensive 780 Ti. So I'd say just buy whatever runs the games you play right now, with new graphics technologies being released so often it's unlikely to last over 3 years no matter how high end it is. My 270 is a mid-end card (2 years old, since it's pretty much a rebadged 7850), and it's as powerful as a top-end card from 4 years ago (GTX 580). To compare, a 4690K is barely any more powerful than a 2500K, released 3 years ago, and it makes no difference at all in most games.
With Radeon's 300 series coming soon, I wouldn't buy an AMD card right now as I expect them to be quite better and competitively priced against Nvidia's 900 series.

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Let's do a mini lesson on GPUs.

Read my post above, yes, it's the best option right now. Although unless you just want to buy Nvidia, you might want to wait a while for the Radeon 300 series. They should be an improvement over the 200 series using the chips recently introduced in the 205 series, and should also be competitively priced against Nvidia's 900 series and 760 price cuts.

Again, don't bother with high-end GPUs unless you need them right now. Unlike CPUs, they get old really quick.

EVGA is the best in terms of overall reliability/performance/noise, MSI coolers are very silent and the performance is good but I have no idea how reliable they are, and Gigabyte cards are really good but not very quiet. If you were to buy a Radeon card I'd recommend Sapphire DualX/TriX, good cooling performance, quiet, and Sapphire cards are reliable. Used a lot, never had a problem with them. The VaporX cooler has good performance but it's quite loud. If your case has a window on the side, have in mind MSI cards are not precisely nice to look at.

Then there's XFX, most reliable cards on the market, although they only make reference designs (and their hideous chrome border cooler, which I would never have just because of how horribly ugly it is). If you want a blower-type cooler then XFX is the way to go.

As for blower vs. open air coolers, it really depends on what you want and what your set up is. You'll see most aftermarket coolers are open-air type, while reference designs are usually blower-style.
First of all, what's a blower and what's an open air cooler?
A "blower" design is called that because it, well, blows air out of the case. Here's an example.

As you can see, the card has a turbine-like fan and a vent on the back side, and is completely closed otherwise. This turbine fan can suck in a lot of air, making it go very fast through the heatsink inside the card and out the back of the card, directly out of the case. On the other hand, it is much louder than a normal fan.

An open air cooler is, as its name indicates, open. Open air coolers are, despite seeming much simpler, more complex, here you can see why:

As you can see in the second picture, the cooler consists of not one but three heatsinks, connected by copper pipes. The first heatsink takes heat from the core and dissipates a bit, although most is transferred by the heat pipes to the two lateral heatsinks, which are hit directly by the fans' airflow and dissipate all the heat. The hot air then blows out by the sides into the case. It's then the case fan's job to pull this hot air out the back.

Now, the advantages and disadvantages on each type:
Blowers:

• Compact, easy to handle
  
• Protected from light impacts
  
• Doesn't interfere with CPU cooling
• Noisy

Open air:

• Usually better performance
  
• Very quiet
  
• Looks awesome (mostly )
• Might reduce performance of top-mount-fan CPU air coolers
  
• More vulnerable to impacts (you're an idiot if you drop your card anyway)

So, what's this about open-air cards reducing performance in CPU air coolers? Well, first of all, it only affects some coolers, not all of them. It would be hard to explain with words, so I made a MS paint sketch:

The effect on CPU cooling is very small, but it makes the difference between hitting 80C or not on a stock Intel cooler. It has no effect at all on a proper CPU cooler with a side mounted fan however.

Well, that's it for this not-so-mini lesson on GPU cooling.

 

I dont bother if the parts look ugly i have a ugly shell dont know how to say it, for the pc. So should i rather buy an more powerfull intel i5 or is the 4460 good like you said with 100 fps. If it has 100 fps on most cars and 70 on the t75 i dont think i need better. BTW im running a laptop with amd a10 i think it is 5757 i dont know for sure beacause i am writing on my ipad. And when i play it looks like i am getting 40 fps or more when i have a fps weiwer it only says 10fps. Anyway i will build an pc

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The reason im getting intel i5 4460 is that everybody recomended it over amd fx 8320

 

As I said, just get a 4690K, the investment is worth it. A 4460 is a mid-end CPU with no overclocking capacity. A 4690K, on the other hand, is a high-end CPU you can overclock and it will last for at least a year or two longer, then you can overclock it for another year before you change CPU. Just get one and forget about CPU upgrades.

The GPU on the other hand, will become outdated in 2-3 years no matter how high-end it is. If it's a mid-end GPU it will run short on power and lag, if it's a high-end GPU you'll still be able to play, maybe not on max settings, but many new technologies will not be available, it will last 6 months longer at most. Having an up-to-date gaming rig means constant GPU upgrades.