0.33 will be delayed

hacker420 · Jun 28, 2024

Musicman27 said: ↑

Maybe some minor reworks and refreshes, but nothing major. If the previous patterns are right, this one is ripe to be a new vehicle
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kinda doubt it will be a new vehicle, probably housekeeping and optimizations + new internal systems

Occam's Razer · Jun 28, 2024

tdev said: ↑

...feel free to Ask Me Anything...
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Good God, man, do you know what you've just done?

Re: Level Tools I recall hearing that part of the reason for the lull in level content for the last few years has been because better tools are being implemented for level creators. Assuming I'm not misremembering, could you talk a little more about what those tools might potentially be? Something like openEXR heightmap import, multi-road splines, smooth terrain material transitions, etc.?

Re: Unique Challenges I've come to notice over the last few years that the scenarios (and now missions) have become a lot more formulaic. I'm sure this is out of necessity for populating career mode and offering a lot of chances for quick, fun gameplay without needing excessive QA testing, but I can't help but miss weird one-off challenges like Intersection, Broken Truck, Corridor, Hard Parking, etc. This is made all the more painful after an amazing and versatile tool, Flowgraph, was added to the game, only to be used in but 3 scenarios and 2 missions, off the top of my head. Are there any plans to return to making a few more unique missions like those in the future, or should it fall to the modders to produce some of the wackier scenarios?

Re: LightRunner ...the elephant in the room. Tonally incongruent? Sure. Made to show off an amazing feature near nobody seems to have used in the intervening years? Yes. Still cool as hell? Absolutely. But what should happen to it? It could use a serious spit-shine in my opinion, and probably the return of some of its now-missing vehicle configs, but I'm not quite sure if it's main menu button material. Perhaps an official mod à la Dry Rock Island?

Re: Demo Derby One of the original plans for BeamNG back in the day was for demolition derbies to be central to the game experience, yet it's the probably the one branch of motorsport with no representation in-game right now. Several of the most recent beater configs have been accurate demo derby-spec, so what's holding it back? Jbeams sticking together? AI limitations? Or is it just not a priority right now, and it's obscured by dozens of other tasks in need of completion (we've all been there lol)?

Re: Snacks Favorite shelf-stable snack food. Salty, sweet, sour, chewy, crunchy; whatever your druthers. Hard pretzels? Corn chips? Trail mix? Gummi Colas?

Monkeyswetz · Jun 28, 2024

I think we all have been waiting for a modern pickup truck, that's the one vehicle we all have been wating for.

Cutlass · Jun 28, 2024

tdev said: ↑

Hi everyone!
With that being said, lets drink some coffee together, feel free to Ask Me Anything
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What ever happened to something over the horizon?

HighVoltage_Guy · Jun 29, 2024

Didn't read the entire thread but since you said you bring technical changes, will we also get changes in terms of linux compatibility?

JJscoobs · Jun 29, 2024

Thank you devs for staying committed all these years, and for THE ABSOLUTE BEST AND COOLEST car simulation game EVER MADE!!! You guys rock, I hope everything is going well for the team <3<3<3 Don't let these hecklers disappoint you, most of the real people are still here and we can wait for more content <3<3<3

BravoNovemberZulu · Jun 29, 2024

You’re the best devs in gaming and working on the hard background stuff is one major reason why. All my love.

Snikle · Jun 29, 2024

Take all the time you need, underhood improvements are just as important as the cool stuff. I know we're getting a bit more T-series content and it'd be nice if there was another remaster as well but I won't complain if there isn't if course. Every remaster that doesn't happen now is one to look forward to later. I'm extremely curious as to what the next new vehicle would be, whenever it may happen.

whattowrite · Jun 29, 2024

Musicman27 said: ↑

Maybe some minor reworks and refreshes, but nothing major. If the previous patterns are right, this one is ripe to be a new vehicle
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true

Derpitron · Jun 29, 2024

stenyak said: ↑

I rarely drink coffee but I'll answer a couple of these nonetheless

A lot of the "under the hood" work is relatively boring. It's the kind of stuff that someone has to take care of in order to make life easier for other devs and for modders, but which are nothing too interesting even for those people, let alone the general non-programmer public. It's also the kind of stuff that nobody except us devs can do, so even if there's cooler things we would prefer to do, sometimes we gotta leave those to the community while we work on the foundations (because nobody else can).

For example, last week I did some "under the hood" work, consisting deleting 6 thousand lines of code. This was a painstaking and surgical work that took numerous hours to complete. The deleted code was mostly dead remnants from the old open source engine that our current engine was originally based on a decade ago. That kind of stuff is typically called "technical debt", and it accumulates because there's not a huge direct impact on its own, so there isn't an immediate incentive to deal with it (compared to working on cool new stuff). But when you add a lot of tech debt together, the impact also adds up, and slowly becomes noticeable. This 6k+ line cleanup I worked on has resulted in zero new features, zero optimizations, zero nothing. However, this cleanup now allows some of us programmers to work more efficiently in the future, meaning what normally took 20 days to do, now might only take 19 days instead. So we not only optimize the simulator itself, we also have to optimize the development process itself. This is just one example of what can contribute to a "delay", where the update ends up being the same size as usual, maybe even smaller, despite dedicating greater resources to it.

(then there's also "under the hood" work that may directly contribute to things that the community more directly notices)

I started a small prototype of low-hanging fruit to improve that behaviour. The proper fix would be quite more elaborated, and would take a considerable amount of dev time for us, and of CPU time for users. But I was hoping I could solve a good percentage of the problematic situations in a simpler, more CPU-friendly way. However I quickly got hijacked by other more important topics, and never got a chance to test that. It's still in my backburner, but who knows when I'll have time to back to it.
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As a developer I'd love to see your development pipeline and process, including the banal bits. There are many people who will appreciate this level of sharing your technical knowledge. As someone who has poked around in the beamng lua codebase to a small extent, the things I find in there are very interesting. I'd love to see the team's thought process on how they optimise, what legacy code to delete, etc. Kind of like Johnathan Blow's livestreams.

RobertGracie · Jun 29, 2024

We have been needing a good roast of the Devs actually, cant wait to see what the community comes up with for good questions xD

Barbent Servo GT · Jun 29, 2024

I'm really glad to hear that . As a software developer, passionate BeamNG fan (started with ROR), and map designer, I had the impression for a while that it was more about superficial things and an 'arcade' feeling. Creating a solid foundation for the further development of BeamNG is, in my view, also an important step. I'm happy to wait and want to thank you for this amazing piece of software as it already is, and I look forward to the further refined results of your remarkable work!

onceandforall · Jun 29, 2024

stenyak said: ↑

I rarely drink coffee but I'll answer a couple of these nonetheless

A lot of the "under the hood" work is relatively boring. It's the kind of stuff that someone has to take care of in order to make life easier for other devs and for modders, but which are nothing too interesting even for those people, let alone the general non-programmer public. It's also the kind of stuff that nobody except us devs can do, so even if there's cooler things we would prefer to do, sometimes we gotta leave those to the community while we work on the foundations (because nobody else can).

For example, last week I did some "under the hood" work, consisting deleting 6 thousand lines of code. This was a painstaking and surgical work that took numerous hours to complete. The deleted code was mostly dead remnants from the old open source engine that our current engine was originally based on a decade ago. That kind of stuff is typically called "technical debt", and it accumulates because there's not a huge direct impact on its own, so there isn't an immediate incentive to deal with it (compared to working on cool new stuff). But when you add a lot of tech debt together, the impact also adds up, and slowly becomes noticeable. This 6k+ line cleanup I worked on has resulted in zero new features, zero optimizations, zero nothing. However, this cleanup now allows some of us programmers to work more efficiently in the future, meaning what normally took 20 days to do, now might only take 19 days instead. So we not only optimize the simulator itself, we also have to optimize the development process itself. This is just one example of what can contribute to a "delay", where the update ends up being the same size as usual, maybe even smaller, despite dedicating greater resources to it.

(then there's also "under the hood" work that may directly contribute to things that the community more directly notices)

I started a small prototype of low-hanging fruit to improve that behaviour. The proper fix would be quite more elaborated, and would take a considerable amount of dev time for us, and of CPU time for users. But I was hoping I could solve a good percentage of the problematic situations in a simpler, more CPU-friendly way. However I quickly got hijacked by other more important topics, and never got a chance to test that. It's still in my backburner, but who knows when I'll have time to back to it.
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That's cool. Maybe put a picture of the code in visual studio as the banner in steam, since it will be mostly centered about under the hood stuff?

Logan2 · Jun 29, 2024

Please fix electric car errors in .33

LegThePeg · Jun 29, 2024

tdev said: ↑

With that being said, lets drink some coffee together, feel free to Ask Me Anything
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When will Lightrunner receive an update, and/or remaster? I hope it has not been ignored!

Franz027 · Jun 29, 2024

tdev said: ↑

Hi everyone!

As you might have noticed, the update seems delayed, and yes, it is and will be.
Over the years we tackled all the easy problems to work on, now only the hard ones remain.

Please give us some more time to do some proper development on things that need work in the background.

Do not expect a super huge update, most of the work is in the background and is creating the foundation for amazing features in the future

With that being said, lets drink some coffee together, feel free to Ask Me Anything

Thanks for being an amazing community and supporting us all these years!
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I would like to do some questions about beamng and some common questions:

1) What happened to concepts? e.g. Civetta Fulmine, Jargl brand and some Gavril models. And is it true that Charmand is the "official" brand of Beamng? I always thought it was a mod
2) Have you ever planned an official east european car / truck brand? or a map? (talking about maps, is planned a remaster for some maps like Italy and ECUSA? (THESE ARE NOT REQUESTS, just a curiosity)
3) Which car is your fav in Beamng?
4) Do you think that some brands like Autobello, Civetta or Burnside need more cars?
5) A question about Autobello: is it only based on FIAT or on other brands too? (e.g. Lancia, Maserati, DR Motors, Alfa Romeo, Autobianchi)

redrobin · Jun 29, 2024

tdev said: ↑

Hi everyone!

As you might have noticed, the update seems delayed, and yes, it is and will be.
Over the years we tackled all the easy problems to work on, now only the hard ones remain.

Please give us some more time to do some proper development on things that need work in the background.

Do not expect a super huge update, most of the work is in the background and is creating the foundation for amazing features in the future

With that being said, lets drink some coffee together, feel free to Ask Me Anything

Thanks for being an amazing community and supporting us all these years!
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No questions, just take your time. BeamNG is a labor of love.

DingusWolf · Jun 29, 2024

tdev said: ↑

If you wonder what the code in the background is doing, it's a nicer banner for our little console application

Code:

    return
        "][  ____                       _   _  _____      _      _           \n"
        "][ |  _ \\                     | \\ | |/ ____|    | |    (_)          \n"
        "][ | |_) | ___  __ _ _ __ ___ |  \\| | |  __   __| |_ __ ___   _____ \n"
        "][ |  _ < / _ \\/ _` | '_ ` _ \\| . ` | | |_ | / _` | '__| \\ \\ / / _ \\\n"
        "][ | |_) |  __/ (_| | | | | | | |\\  | |__| || (_| | |  | |\\ V /  __/\n"
        "][ |____/ \\___|\\__,_|_| |_| |_|_| \\_|\\____(_)__,_|_|  |_| \\_/ \\___| \n"
        "][                                                                  \n";

Who among you is an ASCII artist?

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That is an amazing beamng logo.

Bubbleawsome · Jun 30, 2024

A little extra wait isn't bad at all. I'd also like to buy a Beam.NG coffee mug whenever it gets worked out.

energypolice52 · Jun 30, 2024

Keep working and take your time. The worst is a rushed update.

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