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[ FIXED ] Logitech Formula wheel: One year later, still no brakes...

Discussion in 'Troubleshooting: Bugs, Questions and Support' started by senshido, Sep 10, 2013.

  1. senshido

    senshido
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    hey everyone!

    I just tried Drive with my older Logitech Formula wheel and everything works BUT the brakes.
    in short:

    - if not touching any pedal, the car is accelerating slightly
    - using the brake pedal just takes out that acceleration instead of braking
    - so having the brake pedal pressed 100% = 0% throttle, taking the foot off of it results in like 25% throttle again
    - strangely, data readouts in-game seem correct for "joystick 0"; if no foot on the pedals = +-0 for y axis

    so the wheel IS calibrated (runs fine in any other game and windows calibration tool) but maybe that wheel needs some special tweak in the input map
    Code:
    // movement
    %mm.bind(%device, xaxis, steer_direct);
    %mm.bind(%device, rzaxis,"I", brake_direct);
    %mm.bind(%device, yaxis, "I", accelerate_direct);
    
    the wheel uses the y axis for both the throttle AND brake pedal, by the way!

    I hope someone might have an idea :s

    EDIT:
    FINALLY FIXED IT. the Logitech Games Software v5.10 from 2010 in the downloads for the "Logitech Driving force GT" also work for the "logitech formula vibration feedback wheel".
    tl;dr: without this software, the wheel will do all kinds of stuff but not what YOU want it to do (at least in BeamNG Drive. it's working without it in most other games/simulators)
     
    #1 senshido, Sep 10, 2013
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2014
  2. qingu8

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    Re: Logitech wheel: No brakes!

    I just had a similar problem with my logitech momo wheel these are the changes I made to get it working properly

    Original
    Code:
     // movement
    %mm.bind(%device, xaxis, steer_direct);
    %mm.bind(%device, rzaxis,"I", brake_direct);
    %mm.bind(%device, zaxis, "I", accelerate_direct);
    
    Fixed
    Code:
     // movement
    %mm.bind(%device, xaxis, steer_direct);
    %mm.bind(%device, rzaxis,"RI", brake_direct);
    %mm.bind(%device, yaxis, "RI", accelerate_direct);
    
    In your case changing the brake axis to ry should work the RI fixed an issue I was having with the brakes being constantly engaged.
    Hope this helps
    Cheers Qingu
     
  3. senshido

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    Re: Logitech wheel: No brakes!

    thank you, qingu, but unfortunately that fix didn't work for my wheel :(
     
  4. senshido

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    Re: Logitech wheel: No brakes!

    okay, over a year later I was hoping there's a solution to the problem but sadly it doesn't look like there is :s ...

    when I use "RI":
    - 50% throttle while pressing no pedal
    - goes down to 0% when pressing the brake but without any actual braking of the car
    - goes up from 50% to 100% by pressing the gas pedal

    when I use "I"
    - gas pedal fully functional (0% when not pressed, up to 100% when fully pressed
    - brake pedal has no function at all

    so I think it definitely has something to do with the fact that my Logitech Formula uses the Y-axis for gas and brake at the same time and it seems like DRIVE isn't compatible with that.
    I wish there was a way to tell the program that no pressed pedals = 0, gas = +50%, brake = -50% ... or something like that.

    sigh...
     
  5. Straubz

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    Re: Logitech Formula wheel: One year later, still no brakes...

    I had the same problem with my G27 wheel, to fix it i disabled the combined axis in the logitech profiler, maybe you can do the same with your wheel.
     
  6. senshido

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    Re: Logitech Formula wheel: One year later, still no brakes...

    apparently the logitech profiler is called "logitech gaming software" now so I installed it but my wheel is not supported :(
    thanks for the reply, though!

    EDIT:
    I found some really old version of the gaming software with the profiler included which actually supports my controller! I disabled the combined axis which definitely changed the behavior but now it's way more random!
    the closest I came to make it work was when the brake and gas pedals actually worked but when I took my foot from them the car "idled" away with 50% throttle... so still not working correctly but I was confident... UNTIL after some seconds the gas pedal stopped working again. this may sound like a hardware issue, but it is not. I tried all this again ALSO with the profile next to the game window and it indicated perfect function of the controller while DRIVE didn't respond or did odd stuff.
    it's really sad because all other simulators and games work perfectly with this wheel.

    EDIT2 - FINALLY FIXED IT:
    ok, after trying several logitech software versions, I finally got the s**t to work. apparently you're totally on your own when your logitech hardware gets a little older.

    - last version available on the logitech site for my wheel: stone old version for XP 64bit, that starts only with the menu visible (WTF)
    - current version - doesn't even install (known problem, logitech isn't doing shit about it and apparently doesn't care about all those people having problems)
    - older version found on the logitech ftp DOES install but does not detect my wheel (great, just stop support for hardware that is a little older, great plan)
    - FINALLY: the version 5.10 (from 2010) I found in the downloads for the "Logitech Driving force GT" fortunately ALSO supported my Formula wheel. why the fu** did they not also use that version for the download site for the Formula instead of the stone age XP driver?? judging by what I had to do and what I had to read in all these forums about the logitech support and their drivers the whole driver management of logitech really seems like a giant clusterfu**. sorry, but I'm slightly enraged about how people have to go through all these hoops to get their stuff running.

    so, after all that, I can finally enjoy DRIVE like it is supposed to be enjoyed! everything works perfectly now. :D
     
    #6 senshido, Dec 26, 2014
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2014
  7. MrGameLandTv

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    hey people i have a wingman formular force gp and i have no clue on how to make the input map for it

    so is it posible for some to help me make one please?

    thanks
     
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