Your PC specs, and how well it runs BeamNG

may i ask what mods you have activated, and show the mod manager while having all the cars spawned, and also prove the specified amount of cars actually exist? i can spawn at least 150 on my 11800h with a certain mod, so i'm just making sure foul play isn't being used

 

ok but why my all intel cpu's are defective including Ultra 9 285k

 

3 Mods activated....only levels that's it...........i can assure you its 200 cars.......you can clearly see I spawn 40 cars 5 times and that equals 200.......and then I drove around after.....I"ll just make another video showing 200 cars spawned all at once.
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Probably because you suck at building computers.....why have none of my intel cpu's failed EVER....and that's over 30 years of building systems
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bruh my pc building is not suck I started building from 2015 and I have pc shop now

and also, my cpu's defective facts is proven by intel's official service center.

may I ask why are u trying to do ad of intel. did you got payed from intel?
also do not say "judging" word to another guy like you said "you are suck"
this is very not good talking style

 

Price to performance based on what? I'm in Canada. The 285K is $819. What CPU should I compare it to?

9950X3D? Ok its $999
9900X3D ok its $849
9800X3D ok its $689
7800X3D ok its $560

So, again if you took time to look at the 100's of Beam videos and testing I've done, tell me what the price to performance is about again? Is the 285K the best deal, maybe it's not but it is the fastest CPU in beam for lots of AI cars spawned.

Again I've built a 7800X3D and 14900K systems, both with 4090's to compare the performance in Beam. In a very few cases with nothing else spawned, the X3D chips will have a higher FPS when doing nothing vs some intel chips....but that's doing nothing, I play my game with lots of AI cars spawned.

You point about running at the lowest settings to isolate CPU performance makes no sense, as soon as you start spawning a bunch of AI cars you get CPU bottlenecked anyways. Unless you are playing with a junk GPU, this doesn't matter.

Related to that. As an example, using an RTX 3090 in most maps, it didn't matter what CPU I used, 7800X3D, 12700K or 14900K, there was zero difference in the CPU used because it was GPU limited, it wasn't until I swapped in a 4090 that I could see differences in frame rates, however once lots of AI cars are spawned the GPU (as long is it is 3090 ish level of performance) doesn't matter as the game becomes CPU bottlenecked again.

Again I don't care how the game runs on minimal settings, if i wanted to play something that looked like crap I would play on my Nintendo 64.

You mention power consumption. What do you think a 285K uses for power? It's a hell of a lot less than a 14900K. There is a bug in Afterburner than doesn't report CPU power in the onscreen display but just for fun I pulled up HW monitor and spawned 200 in grid map video on my YT channel.



So it does about 180w all the time in a situation that I never use in the game because its unplayable

So now lets go back to my 14900K system, I don't have a video showing 200 cars because that CPU wasn't capable of that.

But here is grid map V2 with 80 cars spawned.



Unplayable and around 240w of power usage.

Now here is a 7800X3D in the same map with 80 cars



Right around 70w of power, but also unplayable

So looking at max power your argument was that it wasn't power efficient enough?

But compared to a 14900K which is around 240w of power....it only takes around 180w but gets almost double the performance in a max load scenario in Beam?

Compared to the 7800X3D, well its the least power consuming but it's also the worst performing CPU in the above comparison.

But now lets take a look at a more realistic scenario. West Coast USA spawning 40 AI cars and having them moving, something I have lots of data from a bunch of different computers.

Here is the 285K system with 40 AI cars spawned. Showing power consumption.



Playable and around 100w of power.

Now a 7800X3D



About 75w and unplayable (note the 285K is over double the FPS and only 15-20w more power)

Now a 14900K



Playable but around 150w of power consumption, now comparing it to the 7800X3D it gives 50% more performance for 50% more power, don't really see the issue there.

So going over all that. Your argument that a 285K was power hungry and not worth it. Yet I just showed you in the real world how it has the highest performance with the lowest power consumption of any of the CPU's tested.

It's a shame I never monitored the power on my Ultra 5 225 system, because it's absolute highest power consumption while doing cinebench rendering was 118w, It performance in beam was also incredibly good. My guess is it probably is around 70w running 40 cars in west coast, making it the winner for price performance AND power consumption (Its $359)

Here is it running 40 cars in Utah (for whatever reason I don't have a 40 car west coast test)



So to recap all that

285K $819 ~100W during gaming

7800X3D $569 ~50-70W during gaming but unplayable with lots of AI cars

14900K $640 - 150w during gameplay, mostly playable


I don't have data for all the CPU's mentioned at the beginning but I fail to see where your price performance argument is?
The only CPU's that might have a chance at similar performance actually cost MORE than the 285K.

In reality the Core ultra 5 225 is the best CPU if you want to run lots of AI cars (up to say around 20-30) because it also takes next to no power and would outperform nearly all CPU's in it's price range.
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@Devel6016 Related to your minimal testing..........

A very easy map Endless highway

14900K + 4090



7800X3D + 4090



335fps (Intel) vs 380FPS for the AMD X3D system

Again this is something I've said before, in some circumstances certain AMD chips will have better performance than intel, but it's in situations where there is basically nothing going on.

Would I be able to tell the difference between 335fps and 380fps. I sure would not.

But why would I choose the one with higher FPS doing nothing when it gets significantly less performance in scenarios that I play with all the time?

Driving home that point.

14900K + 4090 & 40 cars



7800X3D + 4090 & 40 cars



Core Ultra 5 225 + 5070Ti & 40 cars



Core Ultra 9 285K + 5070Ti & 40 cars




And to be fully transparent. I'm building a 7945HX3D system using a minisforum motherboard, I'm just waiting on some more parts and I will subject it to the exact same testing as i've already done.

 

Oh. Well, I'm honestly just curious. Though I said the lowest graphics thing because the more cars are spawned, the more textures and triangles the GPU is gonna have to render. I think the reason Intel is slower with one car but faster with many is because Intel is more optimized for higher core counts, but AMD is more for single-core applications (i'm probably wrong)
Since you seem to have quite a lot of monies, maybe try some of those server-level CPUs and compare them (Intel Xeon, AMD EPYC and Threadripper)

 

There is no reason to user server grade CPU's they will not do any better, and would in fact do worse.

While beam is very multithreaded, it really need fast single core performance, and that is something most server CPU's do not do well in.

When using arrow lake CPU's (I haven't monitored in detail on AMD cpu's yet)

The game engine for loading levels ect, uses only the P-Cores or performance cores, it only uses the E-Cores (efficiency cores) one the P-Cores start getting loaded up with multiple vehicles.

Example



Core Ultra 225F with 6 performance cores, 3 vehicles plus the player vehicle spawned keeps only the P-Cores active, once the 5th vehicle is spawned the E-core become active.

Intel isn't really optimized for high core counts, they actually have superior single thread performance vs AMD, (Comparing Zen 5 to arrow lake) and the only reason in those limited scenarios likely has to do with the 3D cache and nothing else. I won't be testing a non X3D AMD cpu because I have no need to. I've found the CPU's that work best in this game and that was my goal all along.

 

Ohh. Yeah I just looked it up, and apparently server CPUs are typically underclocked and undervolted, though I was thinking that they could just be overclocked to the same as or above their consumer counterparts so that single-core performance isn't sacrificed.
To be honest though I could have sworn there was a time where AMD absolutely dominated Intel in every aspect.

Also considering you said you want a whole lot of traffic, you could try out this mod to get more performance. It worked for me at least, and let me go from about 8 cars to at least 12 on my laptop with a 11800H and 3050Ti, while still getting 40-60 FPS. Yeah, rookie numbers, especially on my 120hz display, but I want to get somewhat decent performance while not being on lowest graphics (i use steam deck preset with normal textures for reference)

 

I also have run some of my similar tests on laptops I've owned, sadly I can't play beam on any of the laptop's i've owned without spending an absolute ton of money.



The mobile RTX 4060 graphics card really holds the game back.

I'm hesitant to do a bunch of testing with mods, mainly because I want to present results that are easily repeatable. However, if this mod you have mentioned happens to double frame rates in the crazy high car scenarios, I might be interested
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Another good test.

Core Ultra 9 285K + 5070Ti 150 cars in Los Injurus, one of the most intensive maps available



Same map. 7800X3D + RTX 4090

 

@Jefferson KANG
I actually went out and built a system just to prove you wrong......

R9 7945HX3D 16 core 32 thread 3D Cache
96GB DDR5-5200
Same MSI Ventus RTX 5070Ti
1TB SN850X SSD

Here is it with 80 AI cars running



Here is a 285K system with the same settings and GPU



Guess what is more than 50% faster........intel

 

bruh that's laptop cpu and 7000series......
mine is desktop cpu and 9000series..
BRUH
mine is ryzen 7 9800X3D

and idc what is faster.
I care cpu's reliability.
ok intel could be faster.

but reliability is bad then amd.

also your test is unbalanced

Photo for reference:
Ryzen 7 9800X3D performs better almost everything then R9 7945HX3D



abt intel..
userbenchmark says 9800X3D little better


then 285K

 

BRUH.........who the f*ck talks like that. I don't really care if it's a laptop CPU or not, in fact its not really a "laptop" CPU its simply a Zen 4 3d Cache CPU with a reduced TDP limit.

its TDP is 100W and will spike up to 120W, its functionally IDENTICAL to a Zen 4 7950X3D CPU........prove me wrong....I'll wait.

Also who uses user benchmark?

Oh wait I actually have some system benchmarks as well. Ever heard of passmark?

Do you actually understand how/why beam uses CPU resources. Beam wants lots of cores but it wants lots of FAST high IPC cores, AMD currently doesn't have higher IPC than intel in the arrow lake CPU's so guess which CPU's perform BETTER in beam? Yeah that's right the "terrible" intel CPU's you keep trying to trash



I've highlighted the differences, note the massively higher single thread performance, that's what Beam wants, and thats what it gets from Arrow lake CPU's. the AMD 3D Cache simply can't keep up.

Again.......there is NO AMD CHIP THAT PERFORMS BETTER THAN INTEL IN BEAM WITH MULTIPLE AI CARS SPAWNED.

Prove me wrong? I"ll wait.



That above video is only 40 cars spawned and is unplayable.



285K with TWICE as many cars spawned (80) with an actual playable frame rate.

Again there isn't a single AMD CPU that will outperform the arrow lake CPU's in beam with multiple AI cars spawned.

 

bruh im not saying you are wrong I said "ok intel could be faster"

im saying reliability is bad then amd.

also 7950X3D is 20% bad then 9800X3D u did not even tried 9800X3D always 7800X3D and some crap Ali express mobo with laptop cpu.

Im not saying u wrong btw intel has high temp, high persentage that could be defective, also high price then amd, and im not give a f*ck about intel.

imma stop this right here. I bet u got advertisement fee from intel

if not, u acting like saler

 

Some crap ali Express motherboard? You really are a dumbass

https://store.minisforum.com/produc...0YtFtKqtGA1kw3SHHtDTz2FZiRrqqagLZaWjnjzD2r-2z

Where is the Ali express M/B????

Intel has high temps......except that I've already shown that arrow lake doesn't have high temps, also genius every system is different with different cooling so you can't just make dumbass blanket statements like "intel is hotter"

Thank you for continuing to prove how stupid you are and how you lack any real knowledge of computer hardware.