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Hey Mythbuster, I know do your research properly But have searched for images on sale websites? Craigslist, ebay, rvtrader, motorhomefinds etc. Even youtube has some vids of some (previous) owners trying to sell them.

Looks nice!

 

Hope this helps

 

Or this: https://www.behance.net/gallery/18156439/Breaking-Bad-Fleetwood-Bounder

 

Christ Almighty Mythbuster, have fun modeling the interior. More shots here if you dare look at them.

It looks like the chassis and running gear came from a chevrolet, no idea what the standard was in 1987 but I presume there will be plenty of reference pics. No excuse not to model the underside accurately now ;D

 

Probably easier than most, it's all square and no tricky shapes.

 

I was thinking more about the ones where the cameras pointing the other way, lots of beds, showers and overly complicated light fittings. Perfect.

 

I already took that into account, it's a good theory but I think something is off in the very basic dimensions... Ie height/width/length or something. I've noticed that no matter how I warp the front image I'm using, the headlights are completely off in their height/width ratio, and there's no way to make them work properly. Leads me to think that the width or height I found online are off... Possibly because the height I found was measured including the boxes on the roof...? But I reckon that would lead to a way bigger difference...

Thanks mate, that video is massively helpful for the rear end shots The other 2 links I already found...

Sorry, that's the pic I'm already using It's probably the best pic I have of the thing, and even this is difficult to work with due to Mayas shitty resolution limits :/ (I can only load up the full resolution image if I use the high quality viewport, but that in turn shifts the whole image to the left and down(in fact, exactly 1 pixel for the low res one, which is like, 5 pixels for the high res one)... And I can't just leave the High quality image on at all times cause it'll eat memory :/

Sorry :/ I was excited when I first found those too a while ago, but they have a stupid amount of perspective and are so simplified that they're barely useable... Not to mention they're the wrong model of Fleetwood RV(different lights, and double doors)

Thanks for the pics
Yeah the underside will be done properly if I find enough reference. It's some stretched van chassis I believe. Inside won't be furnitured, probably about as empty as the one in the series, otherwise the n/b is just gonna be glitchy. Cabin will probably be done with detail


Thanks all I'mma go see if I can find proper dimensions that actually say what they do and don't take into account...

Ooh... look what I just found... A pic with less perspective than the high res one. Let's see if I can find an error in my model with that

 

Sorry, that's the pic I'm already using It's probably the best pic I have of the thing, and even this is difficult to work with due to Mayas shitty resolution limits :/ (I can only load up the full resolution image if I use the high quality viewport, but that in turn shifts the whole image to the left and down(in fact, exactly 1 pixel for the low res one, which is like, 5 pixels for the high res one)... And I can't just leave the High quality image on at all times cause it'll eat memory :/


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I meant this,

The front nosecone section angles up from the wheel arch to the front, and I removed the front skirt and made it appear more rounded and less visible.

Instead of this,

 

I think there may be a proportion that is slightly off somewhere, but i also think that the corrugated bodywork on the original will make it appear to look different.

 

Oh, yeah.. Hmpff.. Good point. Forgot about that, thanks lol. That does actually help quite a lot... But I think aljowen is right. I've been hunting the internet almost all damn day and have contacted a few sellers, hoping one of them is kind enough to go out with a tape measure... I'm even tempted to contact Fleetwood Enterprises themselves, hoping they can give me some info Considering some website say they're 31ft long and some 32ft, and I've only got 1 source for width and height, and that one makes it look weird...

EDIT: Utterly confused:

Bear in mind that on the second pic, the front extends beyond the original image to compensate for perspective. However, the vertical angle is the same as on the image. And yet, on the first picture, the angle is way off compared to the picture? What the actual hell. Is this caused by the lens and distance the picture was taken from? Ie, more and less perspective? Utterly confusing. Makes my head hurt.
Also, the wheelarch doesn't line up when I scale it by height, and the height and length are BOTH miles off if I scale it from the wheelbase. If I scale the image based on the height, at least the back end lines up perfectly... I reckon I should scale all images based on the wheelbase since it's something that I can't doubt, I just hope the 178" measurement I found online is accurate... overall length can be influenced by the pointyness of the nose being modeled incorrectly and such

EDIT2: Dug this out from the depths of the interwebz.. Owners manual. Time to go through 84 pages of "maybe-useful-info-but-knowing-my-luck-,-probably-not. Did find the rear axle ratio already though. so that's nice. And 2 perfect side-on images... which are for a different wheelbase model with double doors -_-. Gonna go see if they ahve an owners manual on that website for the 31KB, since that's, afaik, the model I'm doing. EDIT3: And it's a P-series chassis... apparantly... for the 2-door longer wheelbase one at least. EDIT7321: Wow im blind, I missed this page on my first time I went through it...

I really do wonder if that "maximum width" is including mirrors... I've modeled it without the mirrors as that width.. And I wish I had a height measurement without the A/C :/
EDIT: I
I've made it far too high.. so that'll be fun to correct...

 

compared to myth i am a loser peasant but

got the n/b to actually fit and not sorta fit :>
ik nodes are in from time to time but really they are just just under the mesh, not a big deal.

@myth
you totally have to remove the front spoiler/under bumper thing asap, without it it looks about ok. really in the pic without it it looks juuust fine

 

Looks like you've got the front bodywork behind the bumper a little off. You can see that it angles up after the wheel well and comes up to the bottom of the bumper. You have it as a level line going forward, which is why you have that awkward piece sticking out under the bumper, which I think is the cause of some of the strange proportions.
Not sure if you've seen that, just something I've noticed.

 

I like the car matey I think you should do some fixes to Rockstars mesh though, to make it more Gabe-proof. Make the roof a bit wider(take reference from what car is based on, I reckon some early 2000s Cadillac), and curve the pillars and such. Would be real cool if you did that!

Yup, someone else pointed it out too, I forgot about it completely, mainly because of the wheat plants on the side image. And yeah it's part of the problem, also had a height problem.
I think I fixed the height. It seems too wide now, I'm tempted to scale it in width for the whole mirrors thing...


How's this? Scaled in width... Think that's too narrow no? Yeah too narrow... Hopefully the measurement from the user manual was just without mirrors... otherwise something's seriously screwed up lol

 

Yeah I think the width was pretty spot on before scaling, infact maybe even a little narrow

Little things I've noticed are that the front nose isn't quite round enough, if you look at the little wedge curve between the front wheels and bumper its alot rounder than yours is (partly the angle im guessing) however I think the angle of the mesh is fine.

Best picture I could find to show it.




This could help show you the width too, as you can see its quite wide.




But yeah it looks great thus far and pretty accurate too.

 

One last bit of motorhome related spam, I found a couple of semi detailed chassis and suspension drawings towards the end of the users manual:

 

If these are the best frontal shots on the internet then I do not envy you one bit, MB. However, you might be able to work out your proportions from that second image. but paying attention to that first one, notice the way the roof suddenly angles just behind the drivers window? do you have that?

 

Usually widths are without the mirrors. As far as I know most width restrictions in the US don't usually count the mirror. Also, the the wheels should be 19.5s, they're 10 lugs in the rear, but only 5 in the front. The use the same rims all the way around, and just skip every other lug on the front, similar to how GM did it on their 3500HD.

 

Woah, thanks a bunch for that upper pic Hati! I think that might be super useful (I already had the lower one )

Thanks man, that's really useful information The current wheels are from the T75, just for visual reference.
I think I've mostly got the front end done right now. Front bumper should be like a few cm further forward I think though. Also need to work on the bodywork behind/under the bumper. It's just cut off at the moment, instead of rounded.
EDIT: Nope. Still not right. That corner piece should wrap around more. Who knew a rectangular box on wheels could be so difficult to model lmao

 

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