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My HD7870 can run 3 T-series trucks on grid map at 60fps with paused physics..its your CPU

 

As can my 8800GT.

 

Oh, I was testing it on East coast USA. Max setting maxed dynamic reflections.

 

Also I am thinking of getting a 8-core I7 processor.



Question: How much would this PC weigh?

 

There is only 1 8 core i7 model, not worth it at all at £820, you can build an entire PC for less. Huge waste of cash. It also needs an LGA2011-3 enthusiast/server motherboard which again costs an arm and a leg. Plus the 6 core models are faster, as already covered, you dont need that much multitasking capability unless you are video editing or running a server - a high traffic web server too, not just some little minecraft one (that wont use more than 2 cores) or a file server (that will happily run on a 0.5ghz single core).

 

awesome skills

 

OP wants 5-10 vehicles at 60 fps, your pesky i5 isn't going to cut it for him.

 

10 vehicles wont run on 4 cores unless they are like signposts, 6 i would say is the top an I5 or I7 would go, hyperthreading is a waste of time and money, just get a decent I5 and overclock the hell out of it!

 

I can run 10 pickups on my i7 as long as the cars aren't in view I get 60 fps, as soon as the cars get in view my fps drops to 20-25... I guess that's related to torque3d being shit.
When I use 9 pickups in view I get 50-60 fps.

cba to try with covets because the crappy menu keeps breaking.

 

If OP is willing to spend an extra £200 to get that performance in Beam, yes. But a GTX 970 won't get 60 fps with 5-10 vehicles in anything other than gridmap anyway, so you would also have to spend a lot more on a GPU (970 SLI, or 290X CFX).

 

On Gridmap with physics paused it seems my 970 will do 14 pickups on screen and stay above 30fps. Physics unpaused it goes from 45fps at 9 pickups to 20fps at 10 pickups. Makes me think the 970 will be the bottleneck in other games and possibly in beamng based on map. But for beam it is probably worth going to an i7 even if you stick with a 970.

 

You are so full of hogwash.

1. No decently priced CPU [normal I5-7 can run more than 5-6 full cars let along 6 at full 60 FPS]
2. Why are you so ignorant about this bluescreen is only saying that in his daily use there is no justification for an High Performance I7.
3. In 80% of gaming related tasks and I7 only makes a >1-4 frame difference, if that. Some test show negative impact in games, again a very minimal impact.
4. Battlefeild, GTA, and Beam are likely the few popular games that would see a decent or better performance difference with a High Performance I7

5. this is no place for tolls

 

Just because a game can't make use of more than 4 threads doesn't mean an i7 wouldn't help. The extra threads allow background tasks to run without affecting gameplay.
You wouldn't see this in benchmarks because most are run in a very controlled environment with few background tasks unlike the average gamers computer.

Plus on a budget like this it seems silly to not plan a bit for the future by spending a bit more on the processor when newer games are beginning to take more advantage of the many cores.
The whole "i5 is just as good as an i7 for gaming" thing is true in the lower price range when it is dumb to put a i7 and a 750ti. That is the price range most people are in so that
statement gets thrown around like it is the rule. I still recommend an i5 to friends all the time and I could show you a great computer for $1000 that most gamers, even the hardcore ones, would be happy with.
But if you are adding $1500 to that there is no reason to not get an i7. Take a look at the benchmark thread here if you think hyperthreading is useless.

All over the internet people are misrepresenting their side in this intel vs intel war. Heck it is happening just in this thread.
1. The cost difference is only $104 or ~£67. Not £200
2.Well I was going to put that I doubted any i7 was running 10 pickups at 60fps but then I tested it a bit more and I get 58-59fps with only a few in view. With all of them in view it drops to the 40s which I suppose is my GPU.
So if Dennis has a 5820k or better I would believe his claim.

 

He uses one of the 2011-3 socketed haswell-E parts. Higher core counts.




There is an 18 core xeon available in that socket... Much want. I certainly have no need of 18 cores and it costs about $4500, but I want it. It has hyperthreading too. 36 fucking threads on 1 chip. 1 chip with a 145W TDP to boot, 18 cores on 145W vs a 4790K (pretty much the peak of what the 1150 socket will give) only have 4 cores at 88W, its quite impressive. More expensive core design that runs at a lower voltage without sacrificing performance is to blame there, base and turbo frequencies are also lower (2.3 and 3.5ghz from top of head), and its a xeon so locked multiplier. And again, its a Xeon so BeamNG will puke on it (deeper pipeline I think is to blame). But, its a Xeon so it can run in dual CPU configurations (i7 does not support this). Whopping 45mb of L3 Cache
Tangent over.



2011-3 socket parts on the low end (for 2011-3) usually exceed the 1150 high end parts in some way.
He'll struggle to compete with the single threaded performance us regular folk achieve (ok, well maybe not me as my athlon barely exceeds my 1.8ghz laptop...) as the 2011 parts dont have as high a clock speed while being the same core design, nor does the x99 chipset allow as drastic overclocking, not sure if the multiplier is even unlocked in 2011 i7 parts (its locked on *all* xeon parts for sure and that is what the socket and chipset was intended for). But there are basically octacore i7's available, just looked and the 5960X is 8 core, 8 thread, 20mb cache, but only 3.0ghz base and 3.5ghz turbo, does not accept ECC Memory (no 1150 socket part accepts ECC either, all the 2011-3 xeons accept ECC), does not have onboard graphics, still has a whopping 140W TDP. Will accept 64gb of DDR4 RAM versus 768gb a Xeon will support (the memory controllers are integrated onto the CPU in the 2011-3 socket rather than into the chipset as on the 1150 socket).

Its scary. The 5960X is pretty much a beast compared to anything in the 1150 socket in all regards but single thread performance. But its a baby in the 2011-3 socket. Everything 2011-3 related is damn expensive though.

EDIT:
DId some forum scraping. He's using a 5820k. 15Mb cache, 3.3ghz base, 3.6ghz turbo, 6 cores. 28 PCI lanes (versus 40 on the 5960X and all Xeon parts). 140W TDP. Definite baby of 2011-3, Definitely exceeds anything 1150 socket offers.

That 140W TDP makes the 18 core xeon seem even more impressive to me.

 

Yeah I got the 5820k 6 core overclocked to 4.5 ghz. Sure the 5960x is better but at a pricetag of over 2.5 times the 5820k it wasn't worth it for me.

lol

 

Clock for clock Haswell and Haswell-E are pretty much the same. 4790k single threaded passmark is 2533 and that is hitting 4.4Ghz on turbo. My 5930k at 4.4Ghz is 2536.



And while the 2011-3 processors tend to overclock less because of temp and voltage requirements I'm at 4.4Ghz on a really conservative OC. I wouldn't doubt 4.8Ghz or so being obtainable.

 

Okay I will stick with the 6 core.

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Thanks it helped

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Correct.

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Okay, 25 fps not what I was expecting.

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Yes I will spend extra for beamngdrive.

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Okay thanks

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I'm getting a I7 and it's final.

 

the 6 core is also only 2011-3 socket. Gonna cost more than £200 more...


In a standard 1150 socket, best you can get is a 4790K, 4 cores with hyperthreading for an effective 8 threads. Any more than that, you have to go 2011-3. 2011-3 chips cost more, the motherboards cost more, they require DDR4 RAM which costs more, plus its usually quad channel RAM which funnily enough costs more. We're not talking a £200 difference here....

That is enthusiast territory, aka, people that dont ask advice because they knew what they were getting into already

 

So this WOULDN`T work?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jwMhrH

 

i7 4790K, 4ghz base, 4.4 turbo, 4 cores + hyperthreading, 8mb L3 cache and 256kb L2 cache per physical core. 84W. Most powerful and also expensive chip in the LGA1150 socket. £270
Absolute cheapest LGA2011-3 chip however is the i7-5820K. 6 cores plus hyperthreading. 15mb L3 cache and L2 remains the same. 140W. Only 3.3ghz base, 3.6 on turbo. For BeamNG, until you hit large vehicle counts, the 4790K is better off. Only has 28 PCIe lanes too to share across all its socket. A GPU uses 16 lane PCI to run at full speed, you can do the maths, dual x16 slots simply isnt possible on that chip, one will drop down to x8 mode for SLI/crossfire GPU's, not biggest bottleneck but still an annoyance. £305, not too bad, but then its the lowest end in that socket type.
Cheapest 40 lane chip. £456. Theres your £200 in CPU change.

2133MHz DDR4 quad channel RAM. Cheapest kit is 4x4gb for total of 16, more than any gaming rig needs so already futureproof for a few years right there. Video editing rigs would easily exceed that though. £140. 2133MHz is the basic DDR4 clock, lowest end really. 1800MHz DDR3 quad channel 4x4gb kit would be most comparable, they clock in at £100.

x99 Motherboards. They *start* at £160. Run up to £400 (for consumer boards, there are actually multi CPU server specialised boards fetching 5 figure price tags). z97 for the 1150 socket though, they only start at £61, ending at £311.

Then you just have to account for the extra CPU wattage in power supply choice, plus some more wattage for overclock, thats at least not too unreasonable.

or if you want to start throwing xeon chips in that 2011 socket (which is what its meant for), you can spend £3300 on the top tier chip, it certainly aint the fastest single threaded, but 18 physical cores plus hyperthreading, plus support for multi CPU configurations. Oh yeah, now you see what 2011-3 is about, servers and workstations that need the multithreading of a xeon over the single threading of an i7. Professional video editing rigs, high traffic web servers etc etc.

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If you're willing to spend the extra cash on the 2011-3, then sure. Minus the issue I already pointed out ton the 5820k, which it seems if you're running single GPU wont be an issue.

Its still a heck of alot for 1 game.


Damn americans getting everything so much cheaper than in UK...