Welcome, people, to BeamNG's official flamewar thread! I'm gonna just sit here, watch the flamewar play out. Dis gon b gud
I agree with you . America has changed from plastic shitboxes to well.. One of the best car types you can buy today . I saw an Escalade in Jakarta , and I must say that is the best SUV I've seen in my life . American cars also have awesome engines .
yea, cuz mobile WiFi is offered on like, every BMW and Mercedes out there. /sarcasm American cars HAVE to be decent, since all the other import brands are such high quality. I have seen the changes first hand with GM vehicles, as well as Ford vehicles as well. They are some of the nicer looking cars out there.
Now, how it was said by Robin that we are starting to shy away from big engines is quite true, unless the manufacturer is making a specialty model based on another vehicle (Ford Raptor). That truck has a 6.2 Liter V8! My dad owns one. We barely get 16 miles per gallon on the highway. Anyways, our cars are becoming more fuel efficient and they are also designed a lot better than they were in the 90s-backwards.
For me it's the Interiors, American cars look nice from the outside and i'd love a classic american car but it's the modern american interiors that ruin it for me. I'll admit, I've not been in many american cars, Only a Mustang, Some Minivan (chrysler?) and a few others, But every single time it's been cheap flexible plastic and nasty seats. Now i'm not going to use my car as an example because i'm not a car guy in real life and it's just an old audi. However my dad's car is the Jaguar XJL, It's a nice car from the outside, Could be better. But it's the inside where it shines. I don't have any pictures so here's some google If mustangs had any sort of interior then they'd be great cars, But i feel american cars in general are only living up to half of what the could be
Interiors in American cars have come a long way in the past decade. They may not be at the level of some of our foreign competitors, but they can be pretty nice. Remember that a decently optioned jaguar XJL is a $90,000 car, with the highest trim level being 120k, and the American cars you've been in were probably no more than $40,000 cars. Get into a $90,000 Cadillac and you'll see a nice interior. American cars can have some pretty shit interiors though. My crown vic has three soft touch surfaces in the whole car; the two front door hand holds which have both come unglued at the bottom, and the steering wheel which is hard textured rubber that you can kinda squish with your fingertips, which is worn and falling apart at the top. Doesn't bother me. The seats are massive and extremely comfortable.
I owned a ford ranger, the thing was reliable but it was slow as fuck and a lot of the plastic shit was getting brittle. I own a 300CE, it's sluggish through town but on the highway it's amazing, but a lot of the plastic shit is getting brittle. I own a Nissan Sentra, it's zippy and insanely cheap to drive, but all the plastic shit is getting brittle. Moral of the story: Just break all the plastic shit off and ignore it.
I think most murican cars are getting damn good lately. Except Chryslers. Fuck Chrysler. Mercedes/BMW have their problems too. They might be a lot nicer to drive and be in, but not so nice when it comes to repairs and longevity. I could go on.
I think, until the fuel economy regulations started ratcheting up to full insane, American manufacturers didn't really care about specific output. Gas was cheap, our roads are wide, and we like our big, torquey engines. Thus it would be easy for Europeans to consider themselves technologically superior because they can get more power out of a smaller engine. They also, quite correctly, point out our national obsession with automatic transmissions and unnecessarily large, top-heavy vehicles. I myself detest those two things. The idiotic specter of the crossover SUV, and the difficulty of finding a stick shift even at a car show full of custom-built high-performance hot rods, make me sad. Honestly, I don't really care if Europeans think our cars are stupid. What really makes my blood boil are fellow Americans who want our cars to become more European. Case in point, the Chevrolet Cobalt and Cruze. The Cobalt was a very functional but not particularly interesting car, with adequate fuel economy and, apparently, a cruddy interior. Everyone hated it because of the interior. Then along comes the Cruze and even supposed "car people" consider it an "upgrade" over the Cobalt because its interior and fuel economy are better. This is despite the fact that: -The Cruze is has a hideously ugly front end. -Until the (late-arriving, not even available until well after the incident I'm thinking of here) diesel version came along, even the top version of the Cruze had less power than any Cobalt, even an early base version, courtesy of an 83 cubic inch turbo four. -It also weighs over 3,000 pounds/1,360 kg, which I don't mind saying is utterly insane for a compact car. By some kind of gearbox wizardry they managed to make it competitive with (or better than, depending on which figure you believe, though I'd still like to know exactly how that one MT version got to 60 MPH in 7.9 seconds) its predecessors on acceleration, but still, that car represents just about everything wrong with modern car design - ugly styling, engine downsizing/low pressure turbocharging, bloat - and yet even car people think it's an improvement based on interior quality and fuel economy. Seriously people? Seriously?
I don't agree with all of your points, but I second the shit out of this one. It's why I've grown to despise ford in recent years. Shoving all of their euro shit down our throats.
I almost took you seriously, then i read your signature, where you admit you own a 93 Sunbird. seriously???
Who knew that two very important factors in the longevity of a car would make people like or dislike it?
i dont hate american cars. i only think they're just too big and need too much gas. the ford mustang ecoboost is a good move of ford (oppinion)
That is not the case with many cars now that we produce. You see full size trucks like the Ram 1500 with its Eco-Diesel engine that gets 29 MPG. Also, Jeeps are getting better MPG now as well. For example, the all new Renegade has gets about 31 MPG. Saying that American cars need more fuel is not exactly true anymore. The automakers have actually completed some good engineering in the past five years.
