General computer talk/advice

If you take AMDs own benchmarks on how much faster steamroller and carrizo are versus their predecessors, you still end much lower on instructions per clock and much higher on power consumption. It is simply fact that at 1.8ghz, intel will outperform the amd, and yet his old laptop is 2.4ghz. It is far more powerful. He is taking a downgrade.

 

My Dominator was well below $2000 and some of the benchmarks I've run blew away quite a few desktop
i7 equipped machines. I can run BeamNG at max settings in all maps at 30-40FPS with DRF off.

Some of you desktop "master race" lemmings are hilarious.

I consider my machine a desktop replacement and that was the goal from day one. Lumping all laptops
to the lowest common denominator is lazy, nauseating and makes those who do it look like idiots.

 

I hit the ego nail on the head too.

 

What are your specs? 60 fps for 300 bucks is amazing.

 

1.8 GHz is the stock speed. It goes up to 3.2 GHz with Turbo.

And power comsumption should be similar, both CPU's have a 35W TDP.

 

I love how the CPU in my $200 laptop still beats a lot of the CPUs in laptops that cost more than double what I paid, but then I compare the TDPs... i7 920XM has a 55w TDP, more if I increase the turbo limits.

Then the GPU has a 45w TDP at stock speeds.

And the battery is 6 years old, older than the laptop itself since it's from a different model that happens to use the same battery.

My battery life isn't great.

 

Not a bloody chance. 4690K/GTX 970, even now with DX11 I have a few drops to 50-55 FPS in the more intensive maps with graphics maxed out.

1.21 Gigawhats?!

 

FX 8350 and 8GB of RAM. (and R7 250x)
FPS?

 

"Meh" at best. Those Bulldozer AMD CPUs aren't really all that great for Beam. You get maybe in the realm of 15-50, depending on what and how many vehicles you are using. I would suggest upgrading to an Athlon 860K if you want to stay with AMD, or an Intel i5 4690k/6600k.

The Bulldozer CPU has an extremely inefficient architecture. In the 8000 series, you basically have 4 processing "nodes", each are 2 cores with a shared FPU (Floating Point Unit). Basically, you have only 4 cores, think of it sort of like Intel's Hyperthreading, except slower and more power consuming. Because of this shared FPU, the 2 cores are easily starved for processes to do, hence why the Bulldozers have such low performance per watt.

AMD's Kaveri core is a much more efficient and better design. It 2 or 4 cores each with their own FPU. The 860k is an amazing alternative.

Or, you can overclock your 8350 to 5GHz (water cooling required), as that's when it finally becomes faster than a core i7-4790k at stock speed. Please do remember that AMD does have new FX CPUs coming out next year that are supposed to be 40% faster. If you can handle being without the Gavril T-series until then, that would be an appropriate upgrade as well.

 

so, i finally went and flashed a custom rom (cyanogenmod 12) and HOLY CRAP IT'S SO SMOOTH

except the apps drawer, that's really laggy for some reason

 

First, thats Piledriver not bulldozer.


Second, Are you sure? xD I mean, AFAIK steamroller still shares the FPU, what has a independent FPU is Jaguar.


And a 5 GHz FX would be faster than the 4790K but, just in multi threaded performance. And you might dont need WC, just be lucky. xD

Anyway, if anyone is going to pick 860K, wait for the 870K that has a better stepping and overclocks better, not like Richland, but most of 7870K can go over 4.6 GHz, Not mention that its Athlon equivalents need lower voltages.

"Bulldozers have such low performance per watt"

What*

 

First, I have an FX-6100, which is a Bulldozer CPU. Zambezi is the second generation, which is Piledriver, which is based on the Bulldozer architecture. Steamroller is also based on the Bulldozer architecture, because it's predecessor is Piledriver, which is Bulldozer based. Steamroller is also APU exclusive, because it's more efficient.

Second, I may have screwed up there. That's what happens when you have a slight hangover.

Third, a 5GHz 8350 (commonly referred to as the FX-9590, which turbo's to 5) is a 220W CPU, I'm thinking that WC is your best bet there.

 

At stock my 8350 will run beamng around as well as a stock i5-2500k, nothing amazing. Overclocked it will do a decent bit better. As of some of the recent updates it will run any of the vehicles in beamng just fine, quite a bit above 30fps. It will struggle with multiple trucks for example but with any of the average SUV's or cars it can run them at least twice with no issue. What you really will have to worry about is graphics power. As I run at basically maxed settings, my 7870 was a bottleneck 99% of the time and its hardly a slow GPU. So as much as beamng is a very CPU intensive game it will hog the crap out of your GPU long before the CPU in your case.

As you are planning to use an R7 250x, you will be GPU bottlenecked almost completely. I am temporarily using a HD 5770 and I can tell you it runs the game about 30fps on ECA with all the settings on low-medium. Its a bit faster than a R7 250x too. So for your system if its all you can afford its fine and allows quite a lot of upgrade space.

 

My 8320 is decent for Beam. 60FPS with a T75 on grid decent, but the framerate drops on vegetated maps. (Partially due to the CPU, partially due to it running max settings on one 270 from lack of Crossfire support.) It's only at 4.2 right now, but I should mess with it now that I've got new paste on it. (I was running 4.6-4.8ish during the winter.)

 

Zambezi is the core name of the FX CPUs based on Bulldozer Microarchitecture, and Vishera is the core name of the FX CPUs based on Piledriver Microarchitecture. I think you're confusing core names with microarchitectures. Zambezi is the first generation, not the second.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/295/AMD_FX-Series_FX-6100_vs_AMD_FX-Series_FX-6300.html

Download CPU-Z xD:

Many people have reach 4.8 GHz with a FX 83xx/E without WC (And others got a "golden chip" at 5 GHz xD), the thing is that you have to be lucky and get a chip that comes from the center of the wafer disc, those are the most efficient and need less voltage to work a "X" frequency.


The FX-9590 comes with WC but, do you know what WC is? it is a Cooler Master Seidon, that one performs like a Hyper 212 Evo.



What you mostly need is a good heatsinked motherboard with at least 4+1 power phases, (8+2 is the best but those are quite expensive).

 

I did a test with the hp pavalon desktop my mum brought around 5 years ago using the beamng tech demo felt around the same as the laptop I have now but don't forget Rigs Of Rods was released back in 2005 and uses the same technology as BeamNG now imagine the power of a high end gaming pc back in 2005 and compare that to a low end laptop of today.

 

Exactly the same technology.

 

well the base of soft body physics is both deform the only difference I can think of is in ROR when you crash into a wall your differential doesn't break.

I guess its like comparing a desktop to a smartphone they have the similar hardware but are different.



it was an unfare comparison you should use an image of the latest update.

 

I'm just saying, back in 05 RoR vehicles were very simple compared to the ones made in the later years. Whatever.

Also Beam/RoR are vastly different. They're both vehicle driving games with soft body physics. That's about it.