0.5.6.1 Discussion/Feedback/Bugs-Reporting Thread - READ #1 POST!

JRI has a tree growing through the road, found easiest through JRI chase, near the beginning.

 

its the navigation app, removing that and its sorted, readd that and remove everything else, its back.

 

The headlights on Miramar won't cast any light if you remove the front fascia

 

I was only going by heresay, and knowing that 6677 is more of a reliable source. Ah, sucks you can't replicate it. All the best. Thanks for clearing this up

 

Actually SixSixSevenSeven seems to have narrowed it down to the navigation app on Nadeox1's advice... since you also have this problem maybe you could attempt to replicate SixSixSevenSeven's results?

EDIT: FWIW I tried enabling the navigation app and clicking around the UI... it didn't seem to make an immediate impact for me as I navigated menus for about 60s and then disabled it again. I'll be happy to give it a longer try later.

 

This is the pessima crashing into a wall with and without doors.



Now the 200 BX.



(Notice how each car without doors deforms a bit more, which is something to expect).

But now, here is how the covet behaves without doors:

 

Seems like the doors act as an energy transfer kind of structure. Did cars really have this back in the 1980s or did @gabester overlook something in the rigidity of the body when doors are removed on the Covet?
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Seems like the doors act as an energy transfer kind of structure. Did cars really have this back in the 1980s or did @gabester overlook something in the rigidity of the body when doors are removed on the Covet?

 

Well modern cars have some reinforment pipe beams inside their doors (I can tell you that the mitsubishi lancer has two in each one, altough they're small and hollow).

Now, old things like 1995 renault 19's door is completly hollow xd, it only has flat steel bars going across the door. xd

 

Custom version of covet catch fire after few meters of driving.

 

Well, after showing what happens in the covet when you remove its doors I decided to test all cars of the game, removing fenders, doors, etc. And well, here are the results.

but first, to get acurate results, I built this:



Those ramps keep the car perfectly straigh and I use the cruise control to always set a speed to 80 Km/h.

And here are the results:

Ibishu Pessima with all its parts:



(Uh, there's an spoiler behind it xd).


Now, without fender and hood:




Seems that the fender + hood are too rigid and dont allow the front end to absorb the impact, so the A pillar bends.

And this also means that the A pillar also needs to be weakened, How can a 90s cheap sedan perform incredible amazing in a small overlap that's done at 64 Km/h where modern cars still fail.

Spoiler

And watch out, one thing is Small overlap and another is moderate overlap, just in case someone wants to put a video of an old car performing good in a moderate overlap test, which is way less demanding.

Moving on, here's the old pessima, with and without fender:

Spoiler

No major difference, the only thing is that the door crumples with fender, but it's weird, the door bends inwards, when it should be outwards:



However, if you have seen a video where the door bends like that, dont doubt to share it.

Sunburst:

Spoiler

Without fender and hood:

Same story for the D25 and bolide, and probably every car in the car, without fender and hood the car performs better:

Spoiler

 

I have the same problem, just never thought to bring it up.

 

Thats a 3rd then. Deleting the navigation app from the UI has solved it for me though (strangely the ETK series satnav doesnt seem to contribute though and thats nearly the same thing)

 

Cars without doors deform more, congratulations you just discovered hot water.

 

It deformed considerably more without doors, the entire firewall bent around relative to the floor even. I'm not sure what you are trying to put across here?

 

That it shouldn't happen in that scale (compare it to pessima's and 200bx's cases), It implies that the doors are much stronger structures than A pillars.

But hey, I've just discovered more hot water xd, if you remove fenders, hood, fascia and bumper, and you compare it again without doors, now its pillars deform less! How can a sheet of metal and four pieces of plastic prevent the crumple zone from doing its job??, and also be able to bend the A pillars.



Basically the A pillar needs help from the door to be able to crumple those things without giving in.

 

I could be wrong here, but isn't it possible that removed frontal parts = less strength which = more deformation and force dissipation into the engine compartment and components. Which ultimately means less force travelling past the fire wall and into the main body of the car?

 

I don't think you are wrong. The Covet is modeled after an older car, and I don't think that crumple zones were a thing when it was theoretically built/designed. The fenders and hood transferred energy into the passenger compartment, rather than absorbing it, like they would in newer cars that are designed with crumple zones.

 

I find it very difficult that a sheet of metal is able to transfer that much energy to the point of damaging the A pilar that's like trying to bend and nail with a sheet of aluminum foil.

And this has already been reported, the covet fenders were even stronger before:

http://www.beamng.com/threads/ibishu-covet-fenders-too-strong.18478/

In 0.5.1 they weakened them, but none tested the fenders without doors xd.

(But hey, even in new cars this still happens, there you have the example of the sunburst, without hood and fenders the A pilar deforms less).