Can this game be AMD friendly?

Discussion in 'Ideas and Suggestions' started by MehmetErdemErcin, Sep 27, 2016.

  1. MehmetErdemErcin

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    Yes people! We got a small problem with AMD in BeamNG drive. Why this game is only good for Intel CPU's? It can be good for AMD if BeamNG developers could find a way to add more FPS to the game. We know, AMD CPU's have poor single core performance. And AMD CPU's are made with more cores than Intel. A top of the line AMD CPU now has 8 cores. And, I suggest developers should split the load to 2 cores instead of a single core. I'm a AMD FX-6100 user and I'm a BeamNG player for a long time. This CPU has 6 cores and It is overclocked to 4.5ghz (stock is 3.3 or 3.2ghz). In a Intel CPU, you got generally 4 cores if you are a normal gamer and not using special kind of 8 core, 22 core and more core kind of cpu's for servers and workstations, it would be the same way. Intel has very nice single core performance and AMD is powerful with all of it cores together. I hope this can be done because I'm no programmer or a game developer. I don't really know about how game psychics work on a CPU. It would be very good for AMD users. My game is already playable but I want a little bit more FPS for playing it with a steering wheel. It is laggy for driving. Slow and bad response time. I hope this can happen in the future or soon as possible if it can be done successfully.
     
  2. IvanGF14

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    I have an FX8350 and R7 260X 2gb and i dont have problems
     
  3. Nadeox1

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    Relevant meme:



    More cores doesn't mean faster CPU.
    BeamNG.Drive uses a 1 thread per vehicle.
    Splitting a vehicle simulation on more threads is a complex thing, not as easy as it sounds.

    I'll leave you some link to other very relevant posts about this:
    http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2757163/intel-perform-amd-cores-clock-speed-cache-mem.html

    That post mentions 'optimizations'.
    Yes, Intel and AMD sided optimization exists. We try to avoid them, as we do not want to 'prefer' a brand over another.

    Even more relevant as this is shows why Intel CPU surpass AMD ones in BeamNG (in the majority of the cases):
    http://steamcommunity.com/app/284160/discussions/0/494631967650939099/#c494631967652266573


    tl;dr Intel CPU are faster for certain things, and this has a good benefits in BeamNG.Drive
     
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  4. MehmetErdemErcin

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    So, how i can overclock my CPU to 5ghz? I don't care if I burn it. I'm using my CPU with O.C. about a year. Give me ideas to get better performance. I tryed for higher speeds but it is not going well. And, in some maps and cars my game is very good but in some maps it is just a bit laggy. What i can do?
     
  5. 1UZ-FE

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    Overclocking is not a 'set it and forget it" type thing. Every CPU - even if they are the EXACT same model and brand - will still require its exclusive OC settings.

    Do your best to find a tutorial on how to overclock your exact brand and model CPU and motherboard. Very carefully follow each step and don't miss anything! Overclocking leaves almost no room for error.

    Also, you will need more cooling so you don't make your CPU well done.

    But in the end, maxing out the ghz on an AMD will still handle threads just like an AMD, there's no way around that. You will still suffer from similar performance bogs, but potentially lessened.

    Generally speaking, Intel CPUs are made with higher quality materials in their cpu than AMD, thus AMD does not handle heat/longevity as well as Intel. I've had a Intel quad-core i7 2600k 3.4 ghz overclocked to 4.7 ghz for almost four years - still runs like day one.

    I'm not saying it's impossible for AMD to match up with beamng perfomance-wise and hold up (someone that previously replied has an AMD with no issues), it's just that Intel processors are a much better match for this beast of a game.
     
  6. MehmetErdemErcin

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    Ok, thanks for answers. I'm mad a little bit because I bought a logitech g27 and I play the game with it. I had a budget to buy 2nd hand g27 and i didn't thinked about upgrade my pc(1yrs old only) I'm using a Thermaltake CPU Cooler and my Sapphire R7 260x is hotter than my cpu runs at 4.5ghz. I set my settings to low and my fps are better. My gpu is not a beast but ok. I have to use my PC for 2 years. I'm thinking for a gamebook in future(I need mobile solutions for University if I didnt planned this way I would start with a i5 or a i7 but I will buy a expensive gaming laptop so, I need to put some money to the side.)
     
  7. 1UZ-FE

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    Unless you REALLY need the portability, then get a high-end laptop with good graphics. Laptops are more succumb to failure, due to subpar ventilation (compared to desktops), which causes the internals to collect dust at a higher rate, thus higher temperatures/shittier performance. In general, they are more prone to failure and have lesser longevity than desktops as well. Laptops also harder to properly disassemble to remove dust. You can buy parts for a high end desktop build that would cost a third of a laptop, and kick its ass in performance.

    Just make sure your Vcore isn't going above the voltage they recommend on your CPU. I would buy compressed air to dust out your graphics and cpu. Get a better CPU fan if you want lower temps on top of the dusting.

    Also, be sure to check every specific model # of each i3/i5/i7 that you check out, as there are many kinds. One i3 can be stronger than a specific i5, etc.
     
  8. MrWohoo

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    Oh, i feel ya man. It is one of the greatest CPU's ive had so far. Sticking with AMD, because me love you long time, AMD.
     
  9. MehmetErdemErcin

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    Thanks for comments people! I'm a little bit short of money so I can't buy a new computer. Can i get suggestions for a Intel CPU? I want to make a Intel i5 system with DDR4 support cheap as possible.
     
  10. bowdlerize

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    Get an old thinkpad, they are cheap and will do Uni stuff fine. Do not fall for "gaming laptops" because such a thing only exists in the minds of marketers. With so called gaming laptops you are either going to get poor performance or very short battery life and heat issues, physics dictate it can't be any other way.

    As for your PC I wouldn't worry too much, there aren't very many CPU intensive games so you need to think is it really worth the money if the only gains are going to be in BeamNG, KSP, ARMA ect. With water cooling overclocking should see some gains but research first and increase in small increments using a stress tester with each increase, also keep in mind you will see more gains by increasing the FSB than the multiplier but this will stress your RAM and may force you to slow their timings.
     
  11. MehmetErdemErcin

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    Thanks for comment. What is FSW btw? I'm using a good aftermarket cpu cooler from thermaltake. I never had overheting issues when my cpu is overclocked to 4.5 ghz. I'm planning to play mafia 3 too and i hope my cpu can handle it.
     
  12. Funky7Monkey

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    Uhh, that's not correct. Gaming laptops have dedicated GPUs. New ones have GPUs nearly identical to their desktop counterparts.
     
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  13. bowdlerize

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    FSB is Front Side Bus, it's an older term and I think it has been replaced but it refers to the interface between the RAM and the CPU, the faster this is the faster data can be transferred between the two.

    I stand corrected, I wasn't aware that the nvidia 10 series had finally closed the gap between desktop and laptop GPUs.
     
  14. jonthefuzz

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    I have no problems on AMD i have a cheap 2 year old 200 series and i can run this game at medium setting at 60 fps.
     
  15. SixSixSevenSeven

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    That's gpu not CPU
     
  16. jonthefuzz

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    ok i also have a 2 year old AMD 8350 processor.
     
  17. MehmetErdemErcin

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    Thanks for comments and AMD FX 6100 and 8350 are not the same. My 4.5 ghz overclocked fx 6100 can only have performance of stock fx 8350's %76. Can i run this game nicely if I buy a intel core i3 6100? I can try to overclock it to 4ghz or 4.2 (maximum 4ghz it can be)
     
  18. VeyronEB

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    I'm not sure why you are having problems with an FX 6100 with less than 3-4 cars really unless they are large vehicles, in which case a i3 6100 will do it better, however. An FX 6100 at a 4.5ghz overclock *that* far off what you would get on a stock i3 6100 in terms of single core.

    Its important to note that the i3 6100 only has two cores which means past 2 cars the game is going to just fall flat on its face and you could overclock it forever and it still wont help much at all.
     
  19. Diamondback

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    What makes you think that the game requires one core per car? At a reasonable clockspeed even a two core CPU is able to handle 4 cars ;)
    Even 3 cars per core is not a problem, again given enough single thread performance.
     
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  20. MehmetErdemErcin

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    So, do I need at least a core i5? Can a Intel Core i5 6400 handle this game? It has reasonable price and it has skylake technology. That means i can use it with DDR4 rams I can get a i5 6600k but i put more money and i get a i7 instead of a i5 6600k. And i heard non-k intel cpu's can get overclocked, I can try to overclock a i5 6400 or if it isn't enough i can try a low-end i7 skylake cpu. I want to upgrade my pc up to date with DDR4 rams.
     
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