Yeah, the knock-off Ford Raptor with more horsepower (coming out of a better sounding V8), larger tires, and the same thirteen inches of suspension travel with better performing coils in the rear rather than leaf springs. And I agree that the emblems everywhere are obnoxious, but the Raptor is the same way.
Hey they are both in that boat of huge emblems. I've drove our Ram that we bought that has coils in the back and it feels like the back is moving constantly. Not only that leaf springs can tow more, they are safer too. And really, the average guy doesn't need 570 horsepower. It's a little too much. My raptor sounds awesome FYI, it's a V8 also. I think all companies that make a tough truck need to keep it under the 450-460 range. That's about all you need, and if you need more, buy an F-650 and tow whatever your heart desires. But in the long run, it's about torque. --- Post updated --- 575 HP is also way too much power that you don't need. (I'd even say that it may be a little over exaggerated but that's just me).
I personally would rather have more than enough power. It's built to be a desert runner like the Raptor, so I find the power reasonable. I find either truck to be impractical. If I wanted a modern 4x4, besides that thing teenage girls drive, I'd prefer a Power Wagon. SFA, front and rear lockers, disconnecting swaybars...a real offroader.
But, But, But, if you own a Raptor you'll have to tell people you own a Ford. We all know how that goes.
Would be more impressive if it had the full 707HP the 6.2L Hellcat V8 is capable of making. But no, have to dial it back to keep from breaking those glass Chrysler drivetrain components. Off-road oriented pickups are stupid anyways. I liked them when I was younger, but now that I'm a grown ass man (who watches anime, plays with Legos, etc.), they're unnecessary, expensive, and absolutely NOBODY who buys one will use it for it's intended purpose. If you want to go off-roading, buy a fucking Jeep JK, lift it with Dayna 60-series axles, and do some proper off-roading. --- Post updated --- I own a Ford. Come at me.
Agree with you 100%. Never been a Jeep fan\because of their owners, but they are still true offroaders. I'm perfectly content with my 76' Scout II when it comes to trailing.
YEAH LETS GET HIM!!!! Jk --- Post updated --- I think it's safe to say that no one knows what your talking about.
Totally agree, Power Wagon with an AEV bumper is my dream truck. I think I read that it has Dana axles, or at least a Dana 60 rear axle, and the trans is very similar to the 8 speed in the Hellcat, not sure about the transfer case though. Off the bat coils are actually better for towing because they have control arms that do a great job preventing axle wrap (or so I've heard), but you can add traction bars to a leaf spring setup too. Realistically nobody is towing anything with either of these trucks though. How are leaf springs safer? Edit: FYI I do like the previous gen Raptor, just not the new one with the V6 and odd looking (to me) front fascia.
It's not even a good Ford xD. It's an ex-rental V6 Mustang that's been wrecked 3 times by 4 previous owners and has an ungodly timing chain rattle because Ford was drunk when they came up with the 4.0L Cologne V6 and it's PLASTIC timing chain cassettes. These were also the same geniuses that brought you the 3V Triton with cam phaser issues out the ass and the venerable 1.6L EcoBoost that (in the Escape) had to be recalled because they had the tendency to spontaneously combust. I love Ford, I'll never own anything else, but man they are FAAAAAAAAAR from perfect.
Leaf springs (because of the way they are mounted) can help angle an axle so that the driveshafts don't bind (that's bad). I personally don't care do the new raptor either. But hears a question, if coils are great for towing, why don't heavy duty trucks have them... Like I said before, when I drive that Ram, i could feel the rear moving around (it's weird, and you can tell something's up). --- Post updated --- Yeah, took the words right out of my mouth. I mean, have you heard of the 6.4L powerstroke?!!!
The only ford i got to drive was the last gen european escort from the 90s a colleague owned and this thing was terrible it spent more time in the ford dealer than at home and when it was cold the locks would freeze and you wouldnt be able to get in. Also the gas pedal wire was to long so the car never was able to do full throttle
You can angle the axle any way you want with coils as well. And leaf springs are still used because they are simple and cheap. I've heard great things about the coils on the new Ram's, not sure why the one you drove felt so off. I thought the 6.0 PowerStroke was the bad apple, not the 6.4.
My father had a 2008 f-250 from 2008-2010, which had a 6.4L, it was in the shop so long that it only had 23,000 miles on it when it finally blew up. Then again, my brothers 6.0L started having problems towards the end of its lifetime, not as bad oddly. On our Ram you cant angle the axle not really a problem because all it does is drive from a field and back.
They look awful! Also, they weren't real muscle cars. Compare and contrast: The Raptor is terrible because they put a V6 in it! And an aluminum chassis that doesn't do anything, because Ford needed to make it heavy enough to get in the right crash test group.This dead-weight is in the rocker panels! Also, the Rebel TRX is a work of precision engineering, made for Baja races. It is not UGLY! It is outrageous, and that is what you want when you have a supercharged 575 HP HEMI, and nitrogen filled shocks, and offroad racing brakes, and a Baja-style hourglass body!
God, don't be such a brainless American. That V6 kicks the ass of the terrible 6.2L V8 they replaced it with. It's powerful, torquey, and gets wat better fuel mileage. You're actually sounding like an idiot right now, please stop. --- Post updated --- And I have a major problem with both of you. Bland and boring styling doesn't a terrible car make, a terrible car make a terrible car. If bland styling was the only thing that made a terrible car, we would be in a whole world of trouble in the automotive industry. Look at the Tesla Model S. That's actually a really good car, even if it's a little boring to look at. Grow up, not everything can look like a Lamborghini.
I want to join in on truck talk. Powerstroker raptor wagon. Lift it, lock it, chrome it, light bar it, dual tow hitch it. 5 liters, 6 liters, holy shit! 6.4 liters! NO FAIR. HAS 2 TIMES THE CYLINDERS AS ME BUT 4 TIMES THE DISPLACEMENT. Gotta get me a super stroker to even the odds. That'll show those dirty low down, slick talking shit stabbers that the baddest most dirty nasty truck in this entire county is in fact this here TOYOTA. happy Saturday.
I agree that on off roading as leisure action that is true. Then there are people who have to off road to get where they will be working, driving so called road which is more of trail and they actually need that bed to transport stuff they need at work, like diesel tank for harvester etc. So I think they do have their uses, but indeed I have difficulties to understand getting truck with a bed when one don't need a bed, there are better options usually. That 2006 GTO was most definitely a muscle car, euro version at least had 500hp, sure it did look plain, but still a lot better than most other cars from that year. Also next person claiming old muscle cars could go only straight should research trans-am series a bit. 68 or 69 Camaro / Firebird had something over 0.9G at skidpad with upgraded springs and shocks, can't remember if upgraded was Z28 parts or something more sophisticated, but even at stock form that car took corners faster than GTi's of later era. Sure some were worse, some were better, but muscle cars did corner lot better than many are ready to admit.
The V6 isn't horrible, in fact it has quite a bit of power. The aluminum chassis is also very light and tough. Let people have their opinions and try not to come up with reasons why the raptor sucks. You can say that all you want, but "precision engineering" is a little much. And the whole thing about dead weight in the rocker panels is a HUGE lie.
I really like the '73 Firebird Trans-am Ram-air V --- Post updated --- We are a bit biased... Your name is Ford Fan, and I really like Dodges.
