General Car Discussion

Discussion in 'Automotive' started by HadACoolName, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. aljowen

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    Really enjoyed the most recent WelshDrive bonus clip video
     
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  2. Googlefluff

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    I've been having fun lately designing/redesigning intersections with my own road rules, similar to the one I did of my home town a few months ago. I have the rules pretty much set, but I still need to work on how to implement them consistently from intersection to intersection (where to put a yellow line vs. a white line, dashed line vs. solid, etc.).

    This is a redesign of one in Tokyo:
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    And this is one I built in Cities: Skylines:
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  3. aljowen

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    Sorry for the hard to read handwriting, its just a load faster than typing while being more flexible. You will need to open it in full size to read (and probably need to zoom in).

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    Really like the junction, just highlighted a couple things that look like potential problems to me :)

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    Also, that collision area that I highlighted could be a very thread the needle situation for buses.

    I will add some things that I do like though, for example in the lower junction making both traffic streams drive directly towards each other is a great way to make them see each other. Staggering the stopping points on the roundabout does also help with vision too (sometimes not desirable though).

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    Decided to have a little play.
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    In playing I found a couple things about your road rule set that I wasn't so fond of.
    • Dashed lines. What is the point of them? they don't really say anything useful. For example where the road branches at the bottom of the screen you added in dashed lines, surely it would be clearer to use no lines to indicate that both routes are valid.
    • Junction exits. You have no good indication that you are not allowed to use a lane as an exit when there is a pedestrian crossing. Not sure I have any good solutions too this either other than filling the junctions with an equivalent of these, which I guess is a valid solution.
     
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  4. Googlefluff

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    I agree with most of your points here, and will address them in a similar fashion:
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    I think this difference between us comes from where we live. In Canada, if the are no dashed lines indicating otherwise, you can only exit an intersection in the lane directly across from where you entered. From videos I've seen filmed in the UK, it seems as though you are much less strict in regards to lane discipline. I don't think there's anything wrong with this, but I wanted it to be clear that you can choose either exit lane when going straight. The same intersection near my house is actually an example of this. Going straight from south to north, you can only exit in the left lane, but if there was a dashed line, it would indicate that you could exit into any lane between said line and the centre line.

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    I think this is mainly because we allow right on red, but since my rule set doesn't allow turns on red I could probably do without the line, but I'm not sure. Since making the Tokyo intersection (I doodled a few others between the two I posted here), I've taken on more of a less-is-more philosophy so I do feel inclined to remove as much paint as possible, but I think this system removes a lot of guesswork when lanes branch in an intersection.

    You do have a point here. In real life I'm used to the centre line always being yellow, and it didn't occur to me that that this not being the case in the rule set I made would cause this problem.
     
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  5. aljowen

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    Interesting to hear about the lane lines. Over here in the UK it is assumed you can take any exit unless there is something telling you not too, if there is a single entry lane, if there are multiple entry lanes you cannot cut across other lanes to get to the exit you want, generally there will be arrows on the floor. So lines in junctions only tend to be used when you are not supposed to cross them, for example on complex junctions where people may get confused or accidentally wander into other lanes. However roundabouts tend to be preferred over large multi lane junctions where space permits.

    In the UK our Centre lines are the same colour, however we have markings in junctions that show which lanes you can use. (remember we drive on the left)
     
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  6. Googlefluff

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    I think I've been unintentionally using a combination of systems, which was causing confusion. Sometimes the dashed lines had the UK do-not-cross meaning and sometimes, the curved line in the roundabout for example, they meant something completely different. In fact, now that I think about it, the meaning of that line had a completely conflicting meaning with the line in the lower junction we were talking about. I think in future I will do away with most of the dashed lines and adopt a combination of islands and the UK give way markings (something I was already considering) to make right of way and exit lanes more clear, as well as your exit lane system. The part of your post I emboldened is something that really made it click. It honestly never occurred to me to think of it like that, which is the main reason I resorted to using dashed lines in the first place.
     
  7. Potato

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    This happened.

    My reaction was somewhat delayed because he decided to pull out right when I glanced into one of my mirrors. I'm sure @HadACoolName will tell me to use the bloody horn. I put my hand on it but decided it wasn't worth it. It's just not my reflex to honk the horn. Dunno. I mean, if I'm looking at someone and see them start to pull out in front of me I'll honk, but I didn't notice him until he was already pretty well out into the road. I figured at that point it's too late for warnings and my spare hand would be more use steering than honking.
    When we got up next to each other in the turn lane he waved apologetically and I waved forgivingly.
    And as always, the dashcam makes everything look less dramatic.
     
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  8. HadACoolName

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    I actually would've responded with just that.

    You should've used ya fuckin horn.
     
  9. Michaelflat

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    seems i have developed a massive love for Range Rovers, like british enginnering (well mostly :p) and the fact that you are literally in the ultimate car, its a perfect high-way cruiser with a diesel V8 (3.6 TDV8, in progress of modding to Roamer) and is quite quick when needed (260hp) and it will take you wherever you want, it is quite literally a battlestation against the road, the conditions get tough you strategically press buttons changing the transfer-case modes and ride height to overcome the obstacles, it really is a fantastic car, but on the open road it is something else a quiet refined cruiser, its amazing!
     
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  10. SixSixSevenSeven

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    Horns exist to shout hey fuck you after an accidental
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    You should know how unreliable they are XD
     
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  11. aljowen

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    Some really interesting predictions on the future of ICE cars in this article:
    https://shift.newco.co/amp/p/38b843bd4fe0

    Some of the key points:
    • Internal combustion engines are complex and the drivetrains contain about 2000 parts. Whereas EV drivetrains contain around 20 parts. Current predictions put EV's at having a much longer mileage based lifespan per vehicle with the batteries lasting longer than many people expected. (an EV based taxi company (Tesloop) stated 6% drop in range after 200k miles on a Tesla Model S, so even 10% per 200k miles puts the batteries in a fairly strong position, since a 70% battery is still very capable for inner city travelling)
    • This means that the vehicles may last longer than consumers may want, since most people don't want to own the same car for that many years. This is where EV's begin to make more sense from a rideshare and taxi based perspective. Since in this situation they will get higher utilisation over a shorter time, allowing them to be replaced more frequently to keep up with current trends.
    • This then links into autonomous vehicles. A fleet of autonomous vehicles could operate far more cheaply on a pay per trip basis than individual ownership resulting in lower transport costs for consumers. If people realise that it is cheaper to pay per trip using a autonomous taxi like service they will likely switch to doing that.
    Hence self driving EV's may be the future of transport not because people won't be able to afford cars, simply that it would make little economic sense to do so. The article also cites the loss of small local businesses being replaced by big brand stores like Walmart as an example of how people are very happy to ditch a more culture based experience for a cheaper one very quickly.

    I would also add that it would allow younger people who were not able to drive (due to age) the ability to be more mobile. These people will likely continue to use such services as they grow older.

    As for the future of car enthusiast, the article suggested there may be a crash in the second hand car market as they loose their value due to supply and demand. Which I guess could mean an abundance of second hand cars to counter the EV pay per ride future of things. But new cars would loose their value prospect to the average consumer, so that would eventually trail out as fewer people may buy them. As for enthusiasts driving manually on the roads, I guess it will depend on how responsibly they drive, if they cause lots of accidents they may eventually find stricter regulations or eventually things being phased out further. But that bit is totally speculation and guessing on my behalf based on the assumptions provided within the article.
     
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  12. Michaelflat

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    a reason why i love them :p like it seems every other Range Rover is unreliable except the ones in my family, they are perfectly fine apart from a few minor issues (newer one had a broken intake, new plastic and works fine, old one has a bit of a disaster actually, the master brake cylinder has gone apparently or some over brake system thing, but finding something that works with a 1990's proprietory ECU is hard! both have the Air suspension and have been completely fault free with their quite extensive use (every time we stop the car we drop it then it raises and etc, lots of wear i should imagine but it works!)
     
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  14. aljowen

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    [MiniRantâ„¢]

    I just want to give a collective fuck you to all drivers who accelerate when they see pedestrians crossing the road. If a car pulls out onto a road that I am crossing I usually jog across out of courtesy, not to literally avoid being hit by a knobhead in a BMW X5 who decides to pull onto the road and then floor it towards me.

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  15. Standard

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    Well, i'm narrowing my first car choices down to a Crown Vic, or a 78 V6 Camaro.
    I have a budget of ~1650, any ideas?
     
  16. aljowen

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    Don't make your first car a classic, unless you want to spend more time on the driveway fixing it than actually driving the thing and don't have anywhere that you need to get to.
     
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  18. Potato

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    Eh, I'd say if you're mechanically inclined, have the tools and the place to work on a car, and know what you're getting into, then do it. Maybe not if you don't have backup transportation.
    It'd be a good experience.
     
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  19. aljowen

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    A good experience, right up until that moment where you are running late and need to get to work, only to then find the car won't start and has dumped half its coolant on the driveway in the process.
    IMO, if you require a car to get to the shops and work etc, your first car should be fairly reliable and somewhat practical. Then if you are into classics get one as a second car and enjoy it in your free time and/or nice days.
     
  20. Potato

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    When I mention the "experience" the challenge is part of the experience. Stuff is usually pretty low-stakes when you first get your license, especially over here in America with our low driving age. It's not the end of the world if you're late to work or school.
    Like I said, only do it if you can work on cars, know what you're getting into, and have backup transportation.
     
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