Net Neutrality

Discussion in 'General Off-Topic' started by Standard, Dec 5, 2017.

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Opinion on net neutrality.

  1. Do away with it

  2. Reform It

  3. Keep it as-is

  4. Add more strict business laws.

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  1. nosraenyr kcirtap kcin

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    If you can't afford it, don't buy it. The internet isn't a needed thing, it's not like food or medical, it's entertainment.
     
  2. Ytrewq

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    Not everybody can afford to spend extra 10-15 bucks per month? Is USA a third world country or what?
     
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  3. nosraenyr kcirtap kcin

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    Yeah, 10 bucks is like a meal for 5 at a fast food place, in key words, it's pretty cheap.
     
  4. Michaelflat

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    per month that is huge, like for families going from pay check to mouth $10 bucks/month could be the difference between being able to afford bills and etc.
    I think the internet is a utility these days, you can live without it but it is like living without a telephone, you can live without it but it is very useful.
    Especially for the younger generations, like some teachers planning lessons out there are almost going 100% online. Then one kid who goes "but I don't have a computer" really shocks them.

    Also in the UK I think that it should be regulated, maybe government controlled, most things are tightly regulated in the UK (Gas/Elec Anti Monopoly etc). I think it's absurd to allow the big name ISPs to control this themselves, the issue is that they will just all jack prices up. Businesses are different these days as before to get more competition then you would have to have a unique selling point, say a new supermarket like Aldi comes along selling non branded stuff cheaper, they open up a shop which doesn't cost a huge amount really and start to make a profit.
    But with internet, laying cables costs loads, and there is no guarantee people will even use the cables at all. Too high risk.
     
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  5. ManfredE3

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    Internet is more than entertainment. It's a kind of infrastructure, it's necessary for growth and opportunity. Some leaders in the mid west said its more important to their communities than public transport and road infrastructure. In those areas, public transport is the only thing to get people from small towns to larger population centers with access to education and jobs and such, so saying internet access is more important is saying a lot.
     
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  6. nosraenyr kcirtap kcin

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    $120 for a year of bills, that is pretty fucking cheap, hell my dad pays over 500 dollars for gas and we don't use gas that much, and here a thing, I not sure you know, but we have a thing called "Books" and you can get them at a strange place called a "library".
     
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  7. Elwood

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    I am sorry to say this, but if your society is in such state, that something like ten or twenty dollars a month more will be a problem ... that is not an issue of NetNeutrality, but issue of something completely different and it has been going on at least ten or fifteen years, so using it as argument in this topic is, frankly, pathetic.
     
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  8. ManfredE3

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    An extra $20/month for infrastructure in a country where so many people struggle to make ends meet already is a problem, like it or not. It's a necessity in a nation where any decent school is now focusing on computers and like it or not, if you cant afford good internet and a computer, you're not in a good place.

    My family already pay $1.2k/year for 30mb/sec internet + 3 TV boxes in an urban place with all 3 ISPs competing here. That's the going price right now. Really want to make that worse and see how we fair?
     
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  9. Ytrewq

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    So, if extra $10-20 per month is such a big deal, why don't you go nuts each time gas price goes up?
    Edit: rating a post you don't agree with as "funny" is more immature than begging for wip mods.
     
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  10. MisterKenneth

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    Thank you. You said it better than I would've.

    I rely on the internet for things like news, weather, shopping, entertainment, etc. And I think it's safe for me to say that a lot of Americans do too.


    Sounds to me like you're in the group that seems to make it quite well. I'm just trying to tell you that there are people that are less fortunate than that. People that $120 will drain their income faster than a Hummer H2.

    Also, I don't think libraries are all that strange. They're still significant in my book.
     
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  11. ManfredE3

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    Ah yes, fast food. Supersize me. Want to be able to afford to eat healthy in most of the nation? GL.

    Also, where are you even getting that number? A family meal, maybe. Maybe. I'm a small person, I eat barely anything. A single fast food meal costs me about $12 in the city.
     
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  12. Elwood

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    Quite frankly, yes. I am observing the outrage about NetNeutrality with utmost attention and it provides me more entertainment than Bill Cosby show before liberals kicked in. ;)

    Now ... back on track. Frankly, if -any- school relies in online lessons, than it is not a decent school, really. Unles you study some utter nonsense like genderology or astrology or teology or philosophy or the similar sort.

    Sure, being able to get online -is- important, but frankly, to access emails, read weather forecast, browse linkedin or Cragslist; or apply resume you don't need 30Mbps ... I am living with barely half of that and, surprise surprise, I download movies, steam games and watch JerkTube with no stutter. Then again, it is and will be free market, so really, try to be patient and wait for the actual outcome of this. Or don't. But keep in mind rest of the world is having quite a fun reading reactions like this.
     
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  13. ManfredE3

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    3 people in the house, we need the internet for our work and my school. 30mb/sec isn't great when it determines if you keep your families sole source of income. Not that this is even relevant. Once net nutralty is taken away, the internet speed for each website depends on if that website feels like paying ransom, like what happened a few years ago with Netflix and Comcast. You do realize that the US only has 3 ISP's, it's a monopoly. They can do whatever they want and the consumers don't have a say in it. Only about 15% of Americans even have a choice between two, nearly everyone has the choice of Comcast or be unable to apply to a job, as having internet is required to apply and keep many even entry level jobs here. The fact that my internet is rated at 30mb/sec even though we are paying for 100mb/sec is not important to this discussion.

    As for schools, most schools are starting to focus on CS. Our educations sucks but it's been improving. Not solely from a focus on internet, but it helps. We don't lose a week/year for snow days and sick days anymore.

    As for the possible out come, yeah, maybe it'll be fine. Maybe AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast can handle this like civil adults... sure... because Comcast totally didn't hold certain websites usage for ransom before net neutrality. Totally never happened, it was fake news.

    As for having entertainment from most of our nation being worried about losing important infrastructure and a news outlet... really?.. I shouldn't even have to address this.
     
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  14. nosraenyr kcirtap kcin

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    My school do use Chromebooks, hell I'm on one right now, but do you know what I use the Chromebook most for? BeamNG forums.
     
  15. Michaelflat

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    That's just the world, there are not enough resources to simply say goodbye to 10-20 dollars/mnth
    Like any bill going up is a problem, but net neutrality, the costs haven't increased anymore have they? Just the fat profit margins have just got bigger. Big corporations will always be disliked but thats just the way it is.
    It's a bit ignorant to say $10-20 dollars increase/mnth isn't much, maybe it isn't much to you but to some it is a lot. Yes you could argue it is a problem, but the big culture of america can't stay forever. $500 on gas (do you mean petrol or heating gas?) is absolutely absurd where i am from, like cars are just smaller and 2x more efficient (50mpg vs 25mpg for those pickups etc)
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    My school has a blocking thing where it just blocks soo many websites, like it blocks them under "Communication/Social" like kay i can't communicate through computers at school :p
     
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  16. ManfredE3

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    I've never been to a school that gives students laptops, we are just expected to have a good one all the time magically. Yeah a lot of students in my high school and now my university use them improperly and it isn't helping, but thy doesn't mean limiting/removing internet from all but the most well off schools will help us as a nation.
     
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    Ajit Pai is going down a path that leads to a certain hot place called Hell, if he revokes Net Neutrality to any of the Americans on this site you wont see this forum ever again....its as simple as that!
     
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  18. TechnicolorDalek

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    stop lying
     
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  19. nosraenyr kcirtap kcin

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    My school do the same, but BeamNG isn't one of these sites they would block.
    I will see you in 2 days
     
  20. ManfredE3

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    I think most of the trolls and generally obnoxious members on this forum are from NA, so...

    Also, changing legislature alone won't stop internet access, it's what the ISPs do after enough time has passed for them to get comfortable
     
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