General computer talk/advice

Discussion in 'Computer Hardware' started by BlueScreen, Jan 25, 2015.

  1. Michaelflat

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    No issues here, I screenshotted the SMART data when I first got the drives and it was the same. I think they just have a weird way of portraying it. If it's in cautionary then theres an issue, on most manafacturers that threshold is pretty low anyway.

    Seems odd that case manafacturers have hard-drives mounted flat, including in OEM systems, but yeah in NAS systems and server systems they are mounted upright.
     
  2. SixSixSevenSeven

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    Flat is how they're meant to be mounted and how mine wasn't mounted
     
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  3. Michaelflat

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    WD's have never failed on me, ive got one that's around 12 years old that still spins etc. but something is messed up so Windows has a fit when it is plugged in, works fine in Linux with 50MB/s speeds (not bad for 80GB 7200RPM), have yet to see SMART data.
    Although I do have a Fujitsu drive which is hopelessly slow with hundreds of re-allocated sectors. With a fresh install of windows it is outperformed by ones who are hitting RAM limit, the read speed on average is around 4MB/s
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    ahh I see what you mean. I have seen NAS's with flat drive mounting. But yeah it does make sense as the whole bearing is equally loaded (unlike just the bottom section supporting the weight of the platters)
     
  4. fufsgfen

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    And there goes my Toshiba, made weird noises right now at boot, no errors in smart, but that is just some rough guideline from my experience, when things starts to show up drive already can be failing bad.

    You lot know that HDD death sound, "tsik, tsik, tsik", that did happen, so need to figure out how to move important stuff to safety now, maybe I put them to cloud for now.

    Oh yes, 1755 hours and 248 spin up count.
     
  5. Michaelflat

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    a 1tb hard-drive really isn't that expensive, $50 or so. Get a USB-SATA adapter WITH a plug on it! (to power the hard-drive, many won't power off USB).
    But yeah I suppose paying for cloud storage for a month or so until you get money to buy a hdd is a good option. But it will take a while for it to all upload remember.
     
  6. MisterKenneth

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    I was already not using it much because of the issues.

    Here's something else about it, when I turned it off last time, two error messages came up while it was shutting down. I was going to take a picture of one of the messages, but the computer shut off before I had the chance. It was all too quick for me to process. I don't remember what all they said.

    Now for what I'm going to do about a HDD, I've been thinking about it. I've considered either getting one that's the same kind as the failing one, or choosing a different one with more space on it.

    I've also thought about whether or not I should use this as an opportunity to replace a couple of other things in it to improve its ability to run games like BeamNG and Cities: Skylines, though I don't know what all I'd have to replace. I know BeamNG said I'm good on graphics and operating system, but it also said there was a couple of things about it that didn't fully meet the requirements.

    And what do you mean by cloning?
     
  7. fufsgfen

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    I have several of those 1TB drives, might also check if I can swap contents of current to some other drive. Also I have 1TB cloud from MS already, only annoyance is that you can't upload folders there, or I haven't figured out yet how. That is without using the app.

    Cloning is, well cloning, all everything that is on old drive is moved to new drive, so you can use it as before, except without problems.

    More RAM is always good thing, your computer is a laptop right? There might not be much else to upgrade than RAM and HDD.

    SDD would make it faster, but it is quite bit more expensive than HDD.
     
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  8. Rainvest

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    always buy gpus from the most expensive source cause they have better chips that can make the gpu run faster than a gtx 1080. i bought a gt 710 for 450 usd and it runs faster than my gtx 1080
     
  9. MisterKenneth

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    So in other words, cloning is copying stuff over to the new drive. I'd be down for that.

    Yes, it's a laptop. A Windows 10 laptop to be exact.

    Would having a SSD be a better route? And would a professional be able to clone the files on the failed HDD onto the SSD if I got one?
     
  10. Michaelflat

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    I think that GTX1080 is very broken if it is beaten by a GT710. The chips really don't have that much difference.
     
  11. fufsgfen

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    SSD would be big improvement, if price is not a problem.

    Professional would easily clone files and also makes sure everything is running as it should, which I recommend. Sometimes they offer cloning as free service if you buy SDD from them, so that is worth to ask.
     
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  12. MisterKenneth

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    Price could hold me back, depending on which SSD I'd choose, but if it's better than getting a new HDD, I'd go for it.
     
  13. fufsgfen

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    At least 5 times better, Samsung is at least reliable.

    Update, what I mean is that Samsung is reliable, one of the fastest and best too, so it is at least reliable, if not the cheapest.
     
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    I will run your jobs! PM me with source code in C, C++, COBOL, Fortran-95, Perl, Python, JavaScript or Racket (a Lisp dialect), along with how many CPUs (no more than 4, please) and how much RAM (no more than 768 MB, please) you think it will need, and I will run the job and send the output back to you. I will also send you the batch script I used to run the job. Your code will be subject to inspection for security issues, so no viruses please. This is an experiment - availability not guaranteed.
     
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  15. Juanri

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    I have a laptop that has a Samsung sata ssd, does anyone know if that will work with my desktop if I put it in? I don't see why not, it is a standard 2.5 inch drive
     
  16. Racermon

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    I have put laptop drives into my current pc, I even have booted from them, I put them in to do some cleaning that the original laptop would just take forever to do
     
  17. MisterKenneth

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    I have some more questions.

    First off, this is something that has bothered me for some time, and I haven't been able to figure it out. What part(s) of a computer dictates a game's framerate and loading speed? I've searched for this, but I've never found anything that gave me an answer. So far my current guesses are the processor, the memory/RAM, or a little bit of both.

    When people talk about processors, are they talking about the CPU? I believe I've heard of other types of processors, but my guess is people is usually talking about the CPU when they say processor.

    This is one is for @fufsgfen. You've told me that SSDs are x5 better than HDDs. Here's something else I want to know, If I did switch over, would that affect the operating system in any way? Would I have to do OS transferring?
     
  18. SixSixSevenSeven

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    Ssd does nothing but alter file load/save times.
    Processor (CPU) most games don't use a lot.
    Graphics card (GPU) makes biggest difference to frame rates usually.
    Ram, if you don't have enough you'll notice major impact in all applications. If you have more than enough there's no benefit over having just enough
     
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  19. VeyronEB

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    You can just copy the OS over, if you do it with proper cloning software (aka don't ctrl c ctrl v everything on the disk). An SSD will make a huge difference in OS use and program opening times, however most modern games load really quick even on shitty hard drives, BeamNG being the exception which would load like crap on the fastest Intel nVME SSD
     
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  20. MisterKenneth

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    A lot of times when I had Task Manager and games like BeamNG opened, it showed that CPU usage went up and stayed up.

    That one requirements screen on BeamNG said I'm good on graphics, so I don't understand how that'd affect my frame rate.

    I've guessed that if you have an underpowered CPU and/or RAM, frame rates and loading times will decrease.


    Most likely I'll trust a professional to do the cloning, while I'll just take care of figuring out what's going to replace the failed HDD. But it's good to know that the OS is not going to be a pain.

    Could you go more in depth about BeamNG loading horribly on a SSD? That could play a factor in whether or not I replace that HDD with one.
     
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