General Car Discussion

Discussion in 'Automotive' started by HadACoolName, Mar 6, 2015.

  1. General S'mores

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    *groans at myself for even posting my thought in the first place*
     
  2. aljowen

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    A Sentra is not exactly an aspirational vehicle.

    Many parents buy their kids first cars or contribute towards them. A Sentra is pretty cheap, reliable, practical, safe, and likely to get parent approval. If a parent can afford to buy their kids a first car or contribute towards it, I am not sure I see anything wrong with that. Might as well try and give your own kids as good a kick start in life as you can.

    Obviously, if their kid is an absolute prick about it, then that's not great. But most people aren't.
     
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  3. JetPoweredMacintosh™

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    How do you propose to get the money for an expensive car at 24?!
     
  4. aljowen

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    A job?
     
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  5. General S'mores

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    Better than getting it when I'm 70 years old.
     
  6. JetPoweredMacintosh™

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    The thing is, what kind of job? You'd have to be working in a pretty high paying job to afford an mdx at only 24.
     
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  7. aljowen

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    I thought we were still talking about a Sentra here.

    Having said that, on a 3 year finance plan, you probably could have one by 24. Or a lease I guess. Not that I think that is a sane thing to save up for and finance your life around.
     
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  8. NismoR35

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    Literally this, also, speaking of Sentras, my cousin is 23 and she's bought a 2016 Nissan Sentra with financing and keeps up with the monthly payments, it's her first actual car that's under her name and it does everything she needs it to do and nothing more. I mean, buying cars these days with financing, it's the matter of you getting approved by whatever bank you or the dealership or wherever is using and you pay a portion, while the bank more or less "loans" you the money to cover the rest of the price, and, like I said, you pay how much the monthly payments are until you're fully paid off on the loan and the car is yours.

    This is what my parents do often when they've bought cars, brand new or used this is the more "appropriate" way if you don't have enough, but just enough to cover maybe, atleast 50 to 65% or so of the price, this number may change depending on what car, but that's the way how I've seen and experienced it.
     
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  9. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    Nice job reducing six huge paragraphs into a single flippant oversimplification.
     
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  10. MrAnnoyingDude

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    Lemme quote Car & Driver about it:
    "Better than walking."

    It's that sort of car, espefially with the "whine and $3500 brrakdown after 8 years" CVT.
    A mid-00s Scion xB, Honda Civic or Chevy Cobalt (depends on the budget) is much better in this case, and if that guy had a chance to get money for a '13 Sentra, the Honda Civic, VW Golf or Toyota Corolla would be much better.
     
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  11. aljowen

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    If you ignore that every new car you listed is more expensive than a Sentra by $2k-$4k, sure.
     
  12. General S'mores

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  13. MrAnnoyingDude

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    I don't mean the same vintage (it was a 2013 Sentra, Mr. Reading Comprehension).
    Every car has its problems, and the xB's isn't transmission lunching (notorious for '13 or later model) that costs over three grand to fix.
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    Because you wrote 6 paragraphs instead of just saying "I don't like that most people like Japanese cars".
     
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    So someone wants $32K for this manual V6 Cruiser....
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  15. NGAP NSO Shotgun Chuck

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    Because that wasn't even the main point. It's a whole other rant. The thrust of my post was against people who:

    -Cannot make connections between past, present, and future, will not try, and trust the halls of power (government, media, academia, major corporations) way too much. This is the key to getting to the bottom of the EV/AV hype; it looks far less appealing when you realize that it's far from the first time the left and "the powers that be" have pulled the "people will die" card, and probably won't be the last either.

    -Have a passing interest in many things (which are, indeed, mostly Japan-related), but a deep interest in none of them. In other words, don't drive around with young leaf and "eat sleep JDM" stickers all over your car if the only sources you're working with are Initial Meme, Gran Turismo, and Speedhunters. You can't really understand a car culture just from highlights spoon-fed to you by popular media.

    -Think that as car people we should just sit down, shut up, and let everyone else boss us around without putting up any kind of resistance. If we want our hobby to continue existing, we can no longer afford to think like this.

    -Get lost in the numbers and forget that numbers are just one part of a car's overall enjoyability - i.e. the "manual is no longer the fastest so why bother with it" types and the EV hype men who go on and on about those cars' acceleration.
     
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  16. MrAnnoyingDude

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    Actually, I think that the mainstream stuff going mundane has been a good thing for the last two decades, because it opened the door to new, cool stuff.

    3-Series forgets the E30 roots? Does not matter, the Alfa Romeo Giulia or Cadillac ATS come there for the enthusiasts.

    Few cheap fun cars? 124 Spider, Elise, Toyobaru, Solstice/GT/Sky see the opening.

    No engaging sports cars? British trackday manufacturers go wild.
     
  17. aljowen

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    Since you were clearly displeased with my previous response...

    EV's have very little to do with the government or media. The existence of EV's has of course forced them to react to it though. The media makes money through getting clicks etc, so of course they are going to cover topics that get clicks. I don't really see what academia has to do with this. Major corporations have generally been trying to put this off and avoid it for as long as possible, since it is expensive for them to research and challenges the status-quo.

    And frankly governments and academia are both far to incompetent to for any level of collusion to the degree that any of what you are suggesting would take. It would leak out in seconds.

    I should also add, the United States is afaik the only developed country where climate change is a political issue. Everywhere else the debate is on how best to tackle it without disadvantaging low income people etc. So claiming that any of this is due to "left wing" is total bs.

    Well, isn't death a valid cause of concern?

    Why is this a problem? Are people not allowed to have things that interest them slightly, but are not fully entrenched in?
    Are people not allowed to be interested in something unless they know vast amounts about it?

    Or alternatively, you could try not giving a shit about what stickers people put on their cars, like everyone else?

    On a slight side note, its really interesting to see that you are legitimately complaining about cultural appropriation here.

    Or perhaps that is all they have been exposed to so far, and are interested in learning form people more knowledgable when they get the chance to do so. Or perhaps a deep understanding of history is not something they actually care about. Once again, not everyone needs to be an expert on something to get enjoyment out of something. Whatever happened to live and let live?

    Uhhh, nope. However, the thing about being inclusive rather than elitist, is that it further fosters community rather than alienating people. Good luck getting anyone to listen to "car people" if that group is constrained to your definition, which includes roughly 5 people worldwide. More people who are interested in cars, more chances cars have of having more favourable laws passed.

    Not so much. Personally I am now in the position where I could be buying a car within the next few months. A turbo diesel would probably get me the best numbers for my money. But I would rather have a Petrol for the higher revs and reduced environmental impact, and would rather naturally aspirated, so I can have linear power, and hopefully a less stressed more reliable long term engine (although no guarantees there ofc).
    As a result, fuel economy will be pretty poor compared to what I could get, but it should hopefully provide the type of driving experience that I am looking for.
    Equally, the car at the top of my list (Volvo C30 2.0 R-Design) is actually really impractical in general. Since it only has 4 seats, 2 doors, and not very much boot space.

    And for me, anything with an auto gearbox, is automatically rejected from any potential purchase. Because I actually want an involving and fun drive.

    EV's are perfect for the general consumer, I would be pretty down for owning one some day. Currently though they are not so appealing to me for ownership, since I have a bike for short journeys, so the car will be mostly for recreational use (getting to mountain bike trails, and enjoying the journey to them).
     
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  18. Instant Winrar

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    Was helping my brother out to day with his car, boost leak has been traced to the intake manifold. There's a long crack down one of the welds (thing's thin as a soda can apparently, $300 gets you what you'd expect), not going to bother TiGing it closed because it's crap. Old owner probably soldered the inside, there's shinier metal in there. Ground it down yesterday, we reheated their supposed soldering job and then put JB Weld over it. Will find out if it holds tomorrow.
     
  19. JBatic

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    this is much better than the peeling dealership sticker that left big patches of burgundy showing on the tailgate
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  20. Ytrewq

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    He said he wants the Sentra now and the MDX at 24 (without selling the Sentra).
     
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