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1st off, dell is actually the WORST, of all pre-built brands (especially the alienware division, *shudders thinking about it*) ibuypower is a well known manufacturer, we HAVE, suggested building to the op, he refuses to do so, so we suggested something that would get him decent performance for the money, as for the geforce, no it wont, it's WORSE, than an intel hd 4000, it is literally the WORST gpu you can buy to date, also, if you haven't heard of brands like ibuypower, and think dell is good, and has the best pricing? then you're horribly horribly out of date, at this exact moment, dell is the most OVERPRICED windows pc brand you can go for, a Lenovo (i can vouch for them, i've had many of their pc's, not a single one ever had a single problem), or an ibuypower (not the best, but better than ANY dell in terms of price to performance ratio, and won't light your house on fire (a dell on the other hand, also has HORRIBLE cooling solutions, they have literally been known to cause house fires) please, don't go making assumptions, and actually LOOK, at other brands, before saying dell is better (which it's not, by any means, dell is like the mac of the windows world (meaning horribly overpriced, overheats a LOT, and you can get a far better pc for the same money))
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see, right here:

quoted directly from the OP

 

I actually went to Newegg sorted rigs by price then narrowed down by what CPU and GPU was included in the systems and spent the time to go and familiarize myself with AMD's GPU line as I am a lifelong Nvidia user myself. I then compared all the possible GPU's that were available in his price range and compared benchmarks to see which one had the overall edge. I spent a good bit more time than most would in finding that system, I didn't just sort by price and pick one I took his budget and found the best available pre-built system that fit his needs on Newegg's site excluding refurbished units. I run a small business myself and was personally shocked at the recommendation of a Dell PC. Out of all the OEM systems I have worked on for local customers I would say that Dell system's probably have the second highest rate of failure due to shoddy hardware, the worst being Gateway/Emachines systems. It seems that the Dell power supplies always tend to go after a couple years so reliably it almost seems as if they are on a timer and the motherboards tend to be failure prone as well. If the user looking to buy a PC would like I would be happy to help him custom build a PC and he is free to PM me on the topic.

 

Honestly, you should build it yourself, as Cardinal799 said, it's actually quite easy, almost like legos.

I put together a quick list for you (fans not included):
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Blubberguy22/saved/42ja
It's usually good to wait for some or most of the parts (or parts almost identical) to go on sale before buying them. Also, the past price chart increases a lot because the graphics card came out recently, but look at it to see what I mean).

For reference, here is my built (I built it around December):
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=23699725

If you don't want to build it yourself, you can take it to your local computer parts store and they'll do it for you (shouldn't cost more than $10-20, don't let them rip you off).

RAM speed doesn't make that much of a difference.
Also as a source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWgzA2C61z4

Edit: saw the APU part of your post, it does if in that case (but not with GPUs because of built in memory)

 

As a user in the past of Dell products, I can say I most certainly did not have my house burnt down with death occuring as a result. You're putting a large emphasis on small remote issues that happened to few if any at all to write off an entire brand.

You folks also can't seem to get it through your thick heads that not everyone has the want or need to build a computer themselves, no matter how much more value you might get out of it. Its just the way things work like it or not. I can't say I am a fan of boutique prebuilt companies over the OEM sort, but they'll probably be the better choice here. Just my 2c.

 

I've quoted just the main arguments you got, I mean, when we have to repeat and shout to get a point... it is not worth it be pleased.

so I assume you are I.T. too with this large knowledge. But I cannot just override my experience with DELL/IBM/HP in the name of "CAPSLOCK". More seriously I can find more of corellations between computer problems and the user's karma than to sort one brand that should have caused more trouble in my last 500 computer park. And I was at first a good anti-Dell... now I don't believe in anything but self experience.

Thanks.

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You may have come across a bad DELL series when you were working at that place, you will get over it.

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Good call.

CPU aside, he will enjoy building his first rig and get confidence for the next upgrade. And we are here to help, lucky you.

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i admire your maturity, thx.

 

Oh the irony..

 

Off-Topic: Just wondering, what do you have for a computer?


Also, my build (http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=23699725) was my first, and I was surprised how easy it was (CPU included, just place it in there and pull the lever down). I was a bit worried at first (like the OP), but it works great!

 

not assumptions, dells are horrible pieces of overpriced crap, literally every single dell i've ever had to use, or seen at a school,(so about, 5K, my schools went through a LOT of computer's) failed and crashed all the time, lot's of psu failures as well, and dell support just basically said "Fuck you" when they tried to get replacements within the warranty, so i have 0 reason to think of dell as a good brand

 

But they have nice looking cases (especially the Alienware line of products).

 

yes, i will give dell credit for that though, they make some pretty nice looking cases



@OP, it's HIGHLY recommended that you build, if not, then the ibuypower that other person posted should be fine, or you can go even better, for example, this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229438

should get you quite a bit more performance than the ibuypower posted, while still being within your budget, although JUST barley

 

It's logoster, he always tries to pass off anecdotes as undeniable truths. Once the rant kicks in you've lost him.

As for the actual point, you can't go wrong with Lenovo. Dunno how "consumer-ish" their computers are but they come in very very nice, sleek, understated cases and you get a lot of bang for your buck in terms of prebuilts. They're also as reliable as hell. If you insist on going prebuilt, go Lenovo and pretty much nothing else.

 

that's not me you just quoted btw

 

I was quoting the other person who was countering your point and telling him why not to waste logic on you.

 

You fail to realize what Hemi said as well. Dell has had good and bad computers. What if they were cheap piles of junk in the first place? You get your money's worth.

You're the kind that since you don't like them, they can't do anything right. You say that 5,000 Dell's failed all the time. Let me ask you this: How do you know that about 5,000 were junk? Did you count, or did you just look at a pile and make up an extremely overly-exaggerated number or statement (which you tend to do often)?

Listen: Stop. If you think you're any help to any technology forum, then please check yourself. You make assumptions, and seem to make up what you want to hear. You don't like Dell, so you bash them with anything. You like Lenovo, so you make up anything to make them sound like the best.

 

if your talking about the person who own's the computer shop, he wasn't talking to me either, in fact, he also seems to be in agreement with me on that dell is a horribly overpriced company, that has been known to have lot's of failures, especially on the psu side

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well, considering they were all bought new, i would say they weren't junk

 

His point still stands. You're not helping the technology forums in any way with actual advice, you're just getting in the way.

 

and my point also still stands, dells are horrible overpriced boxes of failure most of the time, there is the very rare model they make that doesn't have a psu that explodes often (such as the optiplex 755 for example)

 

Again with trying to pass things off as fact. My old school used Dell machines as every teacher's computer and not a single one ever encountered any problems. I've seen Dell dataservers that have been running for years on end, plenty of XPS720s and multiple others whose names I don't know. Only one of the XPS720s ever had a hardware failure, and that was because of custom parts being fitted.

Dell are a long way past their issues, stop trying to spread misinformation, please.

 

Stop the rants

On topic:
@OP, Just go with whatever seems right, whether it's a Dell, a custom-built computer, or something else. Note: it may seem that building a PC is hard, but it's not and most prebuilt PCs work fine, just check reviews if you aren't sure. You can always upgrade if you aren't satisfied.