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@OP, here's my suggestions if you refuse to build (although it's like putting lego's together with how easy it is, everything fits together perfectly, if you get part's that are compatible of course, which with a website like pcpartpicker, is quite easy, as it detects most if not all compatibility issues


(As for dell, i highly recommend AGAINST it, i and my schools have always had horrible experiences with all but a few dells, so i have nothing good to say about them, and never will, im done discussing this, as people are blind and don't see just how bad it is, and clearly never will [/ENDDISCUSS](I will not be replying to anything dell related))

 

Yes, the hardware snaps together easily as you say,
providing you've purchased compatible components
as you also said, but there's more to building a pc
than snapping the hardware together. Like say, trying
to figure out why the new build won't boot because of
a single component that may have arrived defective.

It is relatively simple yes, depending on your experience
level and how comfortable you are doing it.

There's something to be said for being able to pick
up a phone and get support with any issues that
may arise.

 

He can also look on youtube, it is what I do when I go out of my confort zone like repairing lawnmower etc.. we find everything on Internet today. I am 31 years old and last month on youtube it was a 11 years old boy that showed me how to replace head gasket on my snowblower, humility lesson.

In the moment I have minimalist setup bought in late 2011, based on :
- a Gigabyte Z68 motherboard mostly for the Dual-Bios feature
- a i5-2500K, the door is opened to go past 4.5Ghz in the future (not now)
- 2x4Go 1600 even if fsb is at 1333 in the moment, we never know..
- 2x2To of Hitachi in RAID-0
- burner / card reader / 750psu / some fan / air filter

it was a complete and "homogeneous" sub-1000$ setup in those days and I was charmed by the integrated HD3000 able to handle so much old game that I've never had time to complete before. Even BeamNG was running fair enough, more cpu killer. Then time goes and I've bought a R7-260x at around 100$ to handle another bunch of so-called old game (2012-2013).. Being retarded make me able to buy game on sale and the needed hardware reliability is proven over time and is fair priced.

My actual setup is my sixth if I account a DX33 when I was ten and not understood how jumper I messed with were functioning, till I accidentally discover the overclocking before knowing that it was "cool". At some point only computers I owned were those borrowed to employers or the setups that I've build for people around. At some points I've had to go for Acer/Gateway/EMachine, sometime the only choice for some poor families who wants to give their children the chance to get Internet at home, or few students not interested in technical details. I've always tends to convince people to go DIY but in case of failure, the single point of contact were me. Today i'm building again but supporting DIY stuff become so time consuming that at some point, (Logoster replace asterix with whatever you'd like to own in this incomplete word), then at some point I was saying, bored to mess around, I've bought myself a D***.

To the OP not so-rescued at the moment, I can tell, if you are about to go for a ride, do you want a Ferrari replica or a reliable (if well nursed) sedan. I apologize to be a part of the flood on your thread and can be of any help in pv (about a sedan).

 

That was actually the other one I was looking at as I narrowed down my search. I went with the Ibuypower for two reasons over this one. The first being that the Ibuypower had a 400W power supply versus this one having a 350W. The second reason was I checked and even though the R7 250 is a newer GPU architecture I believe, the quick look at benchmarks I saw gave a slight edge to the Nvidia card. I nearly posted both of these due to how close my decision was, funny that it ended up here anyway.


I just looked and actually the Ibuypower is out of stock anyway so this would be my recommended buy as well. On that note is the OP still around even or are we just having a fun thread debating the quality of Dell PC's?

 

@OP You basically have 3 choices

1) Build your own computer (Better performance but you have to deal with the "adult legos") Example:http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Blubberguy22/saved/42ja

2)Buy a prebuilt PC (Easier to do, but not always best deal and sometimes warranties are bad) Example:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229438

3)Get a Dell Computer (See rants)

 

Shut the fuck up. We heard your bullshit rant 10 times already, we're sick of it.

 

The irony is about as painful as your sentence pacing.

 

I build my own computers and well the thing about a home build is that you know what parts are in it and what parts could go wrong and you know what you can do with the pc and what it cant do...and you can usually push it to the limit..

the thing about buying a prebuilt pc is that you kind of know whats inside it and you kinda know what it can do...but your always nervous about pushing it to the limit

Buying a Branded pc like a Dell you know nothing about what parts have been used and stuff and you have no clue what it can do when you put it under load

always go with a home build you can usually spec out a pc to EXACTLY what you want and you usually save at least a few hundred quid doing it as well..

(does this make sense to everyone?)

 

Yes, it makes perfect sense.. but the OP has stated, for whatever inane reason, that (s)he doesn't want to bother with building a computer. That being said, for that budget, a pre-built system won't run BeamNG very well. So, OP, suck it up and build, get sub-par performance, or spend more...

 

Not knowing who manufacture the PCB of my microwave nor the ABS chips of a car make nobody feel nervous. The logic of "I own a popular brand then I am safe" has a limited rate of success as time goes.

http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/uscorp1/corp-comm/cr-ca-list-suppliers

DELL providing an explicit list of all his manufacturers, as a profitable enterprise there is favorable probability that it use the hardware that give the best price/reliability ratio. I'm not ashamed to consider ECS/Biostar on low price config. Even for myself.

Your logic is making sense at some point I must admit. Pushing an ECS to the limit, like overclocking it, and it will not last a week where an ASUS can last a few years, but an overclocker rarely kept a motherboard 10 years, and in a "normal" situation and for less than the half of price, after 10 years I see more Biostar / Foxxcon etc in good shape than any other flamboyant hardware. User habit and maintenance always make a difference. Brand's reputation across geek community, rarely.

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Now you go at the nearest computer shop and ask them to purchase and build the stuff below, they will help you in case of failure in the first year of warranty if they are good human being. With the pieces, the shipping, their commission (x %), taxes and labor, you will be close to 600,00$. It will be up to you to choose how to spend your last 100 bucks. And for those who laugh at Intel HD4600, try it yourself in BeamNG prior to insult me. Here is a start :
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[TD]ECS B85H3-M3
[/TD]
[TD]49,79 $
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[TR]
[TD]Intel Core i5-4430
[/TD]
[TD]189,99 $
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Patriot Signature 8GB
[/TD]
[TD]72,99 $
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]RX-630SS 630W
[/TD]
[TD]54,00 $
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]ATX Mid Tower
[/TD]
[TD]29,99 $
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Crucial M500 120GB
[/TD]
[TD]74,99 $
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]TOTAL
[/TD]
[TD]471,75 $
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Once you get the machine, you can legally download a Windows's binaries on a USB stick, install it and pm me in the following 30 days. (Installing Windows 7 is like clicking "next-next-next-finish" and take less than 10 minutes with a SSD). Or you can spend your last 100$ on a DVD and a OEM Windows liscence, cheaper than the retails box.

Then this setup will give you the satisfaction of astonishing loading time, quiet under load, and a reliable processor able to push any videocard you want to afford in the next two years.

This setup meet your concern about a BeamNG capable sub-700$ tx/shp/prebuilt system.

 

If you do decide to go down the custom path, look into the X58 platform paired with an Intel Xeon. X58 boards fluctuate in price but used Xeons are consistently pretty cheap. Pair that with a mid-range kelper card (lets say GTX 650 Ti) and a decent triple channel memory kit you have yourself a pretty good pc for a good price to performance ratio.

Here's my specs and what I paid for them:
Mobo: MSI X58A-GD45 - $105
CPU: Intel Xeon X5560 - $75
RAM: Mushkin Stealth 12gb (3x4gb) kit - $100 (this was new)
GPU: EVGA GTX 660 ti - $150 (TigerDirect refurb)
PSU: Corsair TX750w - $45
Case: Modded NZXT Source 210 - $45 (also new, and with side panel window)
SSD: Micron C400 128gb - $70 (also new)
HDD: Western Digital Green 1tb storage drive - $60 (new aswell)
CPU Cooling: Thermaltake Water 2.0 Extreme - $75 (new)

Total cost of build: $725

The final cost can easily be lowered to around $500 with a few corners cut. Lets say you go for a similar build, but get just baseline parts

Mobo: MSI X58A-GD45 - ~$150 (prices are higher than usual at the moment for an X58 board)
CPU: used Xeon L5520- $30 FOR A HYPERTHREADED QUAD CORE!
RAM: Some 8gb dual channel kit on sale - ~$50
GPU: used EVGA GTX 650 ti - ~$100
PSU: used Corsair TX750w - $45
Case: NZXT Source 210 - $45
HDD: Western Digital Green 1tb storage drive - $60
CPU Cooling: Stock cooler, or leftover cooler from a previous pc

Total cost of build: $480

As more and more games become coded to use 4+ threads, these "obsolete" Xeons will really start kicking some serious i5 ass in games when they're overclocked. X58 is still an excellent option for gaming, and you get WAY more for the money than you can with modern core iX series or AMD platforms. I promise you, this build is worth every penny

On a side note for Xeon skeptics, these CPU's will run on all MSI, Gigabyte, EVGA, and Asus boards without a problem, and overclock as good, if not better, than their i7 9xx counterparts

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I'm going to have to disagree with this build. The integrated graphics of their iX series processors is light years behind anything the other GPU manufacturers have to offer. The build I suggested above takes advantage of much superior graphics and a CPU that will likely overclock to/past the i5 4430's performance, while being much cheaper. Second, there will be almost no room for games, as there is no mass storage drive. Third, the motherboard you listed is business class, and lacks many features normally found on a mainstream board. This build seems much more geared as an office PC than a gamer

 

Easy to suggest "used" Xeon.. for what I've read, Xeon are mosthly the same die with more cache, then a Xeon based on the same architecture as serie 9xx i7 will not last very long. And about HD4600, you make a point but you do not telling to us what is your apreciation of playing BeamNG with a HD4600, you will be forced to tell "damn it's running pretty well !"

the build I am suggesting is a brand new office setup that can handle gaming for a minimum of 5 years if a powerfull graphic card is added later, and to play BeamNG he will be happy on day one. As for the SSD, not everybody need to load 1 Terabyte of game/mp3/torrent/movie on a gaming PC the first month, so price fall and he can add 4 terabyte for nothing in a year. In long term, giving the fact that he may have spare money once a year, the build I suggest will be cheaper, stronger, homogeneous and easy/cheaper to upgrade

the build you suggesting is a used/overclocked low range gaming setup today, in which most part will have to be throw away in a years if he want to play new game at 1080P. So if this guy is still alive next year, you suggest him to spend more money to handle his new hobby, and with used stuff

in a more technical way, explain to me :
- which usefull feature the ECS is lacking
- show me some benchmark as I want to see a used Xeon beat a new i5, this thread getting interesting..

happy if I can learn something from you.

 

Lacking was poor word choice on my part. What I meant was that you get less, like less USB connections, less SATA connections, and no overclocking. It also appears to be a 4-pin CPU connection, which might not be the most reliable if the OP decides to go for a 4770 sometime in the future.

I have some benchmarks from Cinebench r11.5 to show the performance of both the L5520 and the X5560 (I own both). The only one I don't have is the X5560 at stock, which I can run at request if you wish to know

Here are the scores:

X5560 @ 4.15GHz: 7.21
stock i7 3820 @ 7.20 (from Anandtech)
X5560 @ 4.08GHz: 7.0 (this is my 24/7 OC)
X5560 @ 3.7GHz: 6.39
stock i5 4670k: 6.21 (from Anandtech)
L5520 @ 3.6GHz: 6.21
stock L5520: 3.60 (this was ran on defective memory, I might go back and rerun this test)

With the PS4 and Xbox 1 being octo-core systems, this will likely mean we will start seeing more games coded to take advantage if those 8 cores. With the Xeons being hyperthreaded, this means a ~30% increase in performance in games that are CPU limited, and this also means that frame rates in these CPU limited games will reflect those of the Cinebench scores I provided. And seeing as most games a GPU bound anyways, this makes this argument pretty much irrelevant for the time being. In the end, it will all come down to cost. $30 for a low power, overclockable hyperthreaded quad core that can handle more memory than any modern iX series can ever dream of, or $190 for an okay clocked locked quad core.

 

What a train wreck...

 

I'm soyy, but what is OpenCL?

 

OpenCL = Open Computing Library. Set of software for doing complex calculations, one of its main advantages being that modern graphics cards can support it for highly parallel tasks. Your computers processor may well be able to calculate the result of 2+2 quicker than your GPU can but if its a quad core CPU then it can only calculate the result of 2+2 four times at once (why you would do that I dont know but you can), OpenCL taking advantage of a graphics card can do it 100 times. Its really useful for physics calculations, BeamNG is planned to support it in future.

Or as wikipedia puts it:

NVidia CUDA is pretty much the same thing.

 

Let's not fight over a SERVER CPU. It is made for running in SERVERS and WORKSTATIONS, not your average gamer's rig. Even an AMD six-core like mine stomps on Beam.

 

We have gone too far trying to demonstrate who has the big balls. He want to play BeamNG without bothering of technical stuff and here we are, with used XEON, counting SATA ports number. Philosophing about 8core programming.

Are we the kind of friend who suggest an old Chevy Nova 440 + a toolbox to someone who just want to go to the beach ? Are we dreaming about a Chevy that much ? I want a Chevy too ! No, I need it ! A real 1971 440 big block with homemade supercharge to go to the grocery ! A 440 big block with high octane to go grab grand'ma ! Fat tires in case of I NEED to make 0-60 as fast as possible with a timber trailer ! 440 will really start kicking some serious Honda Civic ass with a timber trailer ! I agree ! (big fan of Challenger R/T 71 here)

I'd like to go further to talk about big block with you but as for this thread, the OP just wanted us to show him some (not used) (prebuilt) Honda Civic to go to the beach, because he don't like the mechanics, he like the beach.

Let's be some serious advisor now.

haha

 

Agreed.

I found a pretty decent build on Newegg that is complete as far as I can see with the exception of a DVD drive. This is definitely a build that will take on BeamNG along with many other games

 

What maps are you reading that with and what vehicle.