Hey guys, As the title suggests, I'm currently debating if I should stick to my current system/setup for a little longer or upgrade to something else (this also includes the possibility of simply upgrading a few parts as long as they increase performance) especially since Black Friday is just around the corner (for my North American friends out there). My concerns: As of now, I feel like the game takes quite a bit of time to load up be it when switching from one map to another, opening the vehicles tab, cloning vehicles, etc. The reason why this is a concern to me is that I also record footage from within BeamNG drive to post on my youtube channel and feel that the length of these load times is basically wasted time for me. In addition to that, I feel that based on my current setup, I can only load about 4-5 cars max before losing a bunch of FPS which then requires me to record footage at slower rate than real time, which again adds up to the time it takes for me to record footage and then compile it to later produce a final video. I also have about 300 mods (reduced from 450-500 a few months ago ) and yes, I understand how this could slow down the game, however, they're also necessary for the type of work I do. Below is a list of the components in my current system and what I hope to upgrade: (Built March 2017) CPU - i5-7600k (4 core, 4 thread) GPU - RX480 RAM - 16gb 2400mhz storage - 256 ssd + 1Tb HDD Potential upgrades CPU - 8 core ryzen of some sort RAM - 16gb 3200mhz? better cooling.. Considering that I also do a fair amount of video editing, in your opinion, would it be a wise move to make those three potential upgrades and what else would you recommend for me to upgrade to address the concerns mentioned above? Any help is appreciated
Wait, 1Q of 2019 should bring something better to table, if predictions are correct. With Ryzen you would need to swap motherboard too and it would be downgrade for most of the stuff as single core performance is less than your current one and single core performance is still needed a lot. For example with my i7-6700 it is really rare to see all cores working hard, but constantly I'm seeing situations where 1 core is maxed out. 1 core performance of this is same as Threadripper 1950X or whatever that number was. With 7700k you could get pretty much same performance in practice as fastest CPUs out there right now. Funny fact is that your current CPU is faster than Threadripper in BeamNG, not in all situations of course, but it is very common to be limited by CPU graphics which is single core performance and that tends to be problem with spawning more vehicles more than actual physics. Depends from map of course, as well as graphics settings. SSAO does increase CPU usage as well as GPU usage for example. Wait is good also to see what comes with Italy, how BeamNG will perform then with new improvements to game, does it get free of being single core graphics limited, so that things like Ryzen and Threadripper will show their true potential? 7nm AMD CPU comes next year, which should at least in theory give faster single core performance and less heat for multicore. 8086k is 4.3Ghz only, that is stock and when playing BeamNG turbo drops off because so many of cores are loaded, it has 6 cores and 12 threads, but there is no way to use those, especially at WCUSA single core makes cpu bottleneck. Overclocking to 4.8Ghz helps, but still no way to keep 60fps with even 6 cars, GPU is gtx 1080 and manages just fine, but CPU single core is maxing out so GPU is waiting data from CPU. With 8080k or 8700k and with good overclock you can run as much as is possible with current game, with 8086k that is 10 pigeons on gridmap, barely staying 60fps, again single core limiting, on other maps it is less. So with Ryzen, you have 30-40% slower single core performance, no chance to load all cores. But game evolves, there can be better days and that might happen before March, no certain information is available, just guesses. Those are reasons why you are better to wait now, if you really need to upgrade, go for 7700K, you might get that used and selling your current one it is not expensive upgrade and you might be able to run 1 more car, maybe 2 with good overclock and you will be facing thermal issues with overclocking no matter what cooling you put to it, with i5 you might get better luck with overclocking as terrible TIM manages to transfer larger percentage of generated heat. With 8th gen heat issues are ridiculous, they just don't transfer the heat to cooler, 6 cores is really bad idea in those. So wait, 5 months, maybe less. --- Post updated --- Oh yes, about loading times, nothing helps, difference between HDD and Nvme is there of course, but between i3 and 8086 there is hardly a difference. With hundreds of mods, it is about same with Nvme and HDD, or any CPU, it will be painfully slow, until new UI etc is done. Also about memory, don't get trapped to Mhz trap, latency is very important too, you can't really compare memory chips without knowing latency too. Trident Z CL14 3200 is good if motherboard supports, but CL15 2666 HyperX is not that much slower. Practical difference is not that huge. I think for the price those two are good options, however it is not that much difference that you would want to pay a lot from it.
Awesome, thank you for your detailed response. I guess I'll have to wait a little longer before making the upgrade. Also, since you talked a bit about CPU cooling, what's your opinion about watercooling the i5-7600k CPU and achieving higher overclock speeds in return? The reason for asking is that I currently have a Coolermaster Hyper Evo 212 air cooler and have barely even overclocked the CPU. Would this be a good investment in comparison to the improvements in performance?
Try with 212 first, I think it should be good enough for that CPU even overclocked, but pay attention to temps, what I have seen with Macho Rev. B is that cooler is fine for anything I throw at it, with i7-6700 two fans I have installed can keep it cool at 400rpm, heatsink never goes above 30C CPU barely touches 50C, of course this is stock clocks and non K. With 8086K Fans at 800rpm or so kept cooler below 30C, CPU's internal thermal paste, between die and heat spreader is crap so heat just is not transmitting enough well, so cooler does not matter so much. Probably same with your CPU, if you have something to measure heatsink and baseplate temps that will tell a lot. Macho Rev. B is right there with Noctua D-15, some watercoolers can't compete with them, hardly any noise, but when needed ton of cooling capacity, 212 Evo might not be quite as efficient, but I would think it is plenty enough for i5. Water cooling can be bit better, if it can keep liquid at low temperature, but I don't think it might help as much as one thinks. With Delidding situation changes a lot as heat actually gets to cooler.
That PC should handle high stress applications for at least a few more years. I currently living with a Core i5 3570K and GTX 750Ti 2GB
Just looked up that CPU on userbenchmark.com and the results seem pretty good considering it came out in 2012. --- Post updated --- Just looked up that CPU on userbenchmark.com and the results seem pretty good considering it came out in 2012. That makes sense and I've thought about delidding my CPU but that seems like a risky and delicate process (also I don't want to spend $40 for the little delidder lol). Also my current temps range from 40C at idle to 75C under max load using SpeedFan. However, I'll need to check my BIOS again because I remember setting an automatic overclock of 4.4Ghz but it could have also reverted back to its default 3.8Ghz setting.
You might be able to get lot lower temps by setting overclock and voltages manually. When you set clock speed and voltage to be constant values it tends to behave better overall. Amount of heat rises up quite quickly with slight increase of voltage and Auto setting likes to keep voltages kinda high, even up to 1.5v and going that high or above can start CPU get slight damage which will over time show as lower overclocking capability. Especially single core performance has been pretty much unchanged in practice for so many years, even 2nd gen core i7 overclocked can perform pretty close to 8th gen stock speeds, there is improvement to multicore performance with 8th gen, but it is bit hard to see practical benefit from those other than rendering use. So while many places you can read how great and wonderful new is, there is quite little improvements really. I think your CPU might be able to go even to 4.8Ghz, but not sure how well it will manage heat, might need delid to get those higher speeds, but in general setting manual voltages and having quality motherboard is what keeps temps lower, higher tier motherboards have better VRM which will keep voltages better at what you set them to and allow you to use lower voltages which is why temps are lower with higher end motherboards. There is some voltage which will be maximum your setup can run while keeping temps low, after that certain point amount of heat rises a lot, one can also look that as there being certain frequency which after voltage needs to rise a lot to gain more clock speed, it is often easier to stay below that point, one might get 10% higher overclock, but issues building up reaching that can make it not worth it. Especially managing heat can be a problem that takes extreme measures.
All this talk about overclocking is getting me excited lol especially because I'm curious to see how far my CPU can go without overheating. What would be the best approach I should follow when overclocking? For example, would raising the clock speed until the computer basically crashes before raising the voltage be a good idea?
I think that first some reading is in order: https://edgeup.asus.com/2017/kaby-lake-overclocking-guide/ Here you can see more of what has achieved: https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-intel-cpus/1621347-kaby-lake-overclocking-guide-statistics.html Difference between i7 and i5 is not huge, with good sample i5 might be able to go higher clocks because less heat produced, so even it says 7700k 7600k should like the same.
