...and you like the new Hyundai, which designs one of the most shittiest car designs I EVER LAID MY EYES ON EVER. Also, I only really like a few old Hyundais. The only car I don't actually mind and think it does have the most potential is the Veloster. I said Suburban, not Tahoe. Suburban is basically like the LWB model of the Tahoe. I'd say the Explorer and Telluride are on different levels of bad design. The Explorer is basically the more fuglier Edge than the pre-facelift current gen Edge was. The Telluride is a weirdly proportioned vehicle that looks better than it's other counterpart, but doesn't look good in general. Also, not having an aggressive design doesn't mean the car automatically looks good.
Did you miss him saying that the Palisade is ugly? When did I ever indicate that no aggressive design = automatically good?
@Fenneko I LITERALLY SAID that it was ugly, but I like it on the inside, but, yeah, Telluride > Pallisade.
Which makes it even farther removed from the class of vehicles you're supposed to be complaining about, yeah?
I’m pretty sure Ascent buyers don’t cross-shop with a suburban........ --- Post updated --- I actually like the new Supra. The parts are from a Z4, which is significantly more expensive. I would mind if they used parts from a Kia Sportage, but since they’re quality parts matched to a good engine..... I don’t mind it at all.
I'm actually wondering how long it will take before someone successfully transplants a 2JZ, any ideas?
Didn't they design it so that a 2JZ could be easily backswapped, even though that's (sadly) illegal to do in a road car? Kind of makes me wonder what they're really up to when they say they're pulling out of video games because they don't want a boy-racer image anymore. Also makes me wonder if it's an admission that the BMW engine is going to be epically mechanic-hostile the way some others have been (such as by a wirelessly-updating ECU that you can't replace without taking out the radio, navigation, ABS, and who knows whatever else).
What do you mean that it is illegal to swap a 2JZ? I have seen plenty of road cars with engine swaps.
I don't really mind the Teluride, but the Palisade is sinfully ugly. Hyundai sure makes their share of miserable cars, the Elantra being one of them, but I sorta like what they've done with the design for 2019. For some reason.
In the US, apparently, it's still illegal to install an engine which is older than the car itself. This is assuming you even could get it to pass emissions, since it would still be subject to 2019 emissions standards rather than the 1990s ones.
What? Where are you getting your info from? At that rate, engines would be new with every redesign. The basic lexus ES engine has been in production since 2003. You’re quite wrong.
It's not about how long the basic design is produced for, it's about the year your specific engine was first assembled by its original manufacturer, versus the year your specific vehicle was first assembled by its original manufacturer. So, if Toyota was still making road legal 2JZ engines to this day, then it could be legal to put one in the new Supra, however, since the last 2JZ sold in the US was in 1998, it is illegal to 2JZ swap a MY99 or newer car unless you convert it to permanent race-only use. As far as I know this also applies to putting a 1997 2JZ in a 1998 Supra (though not the other way around), even if literally nothing changes. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but then, post-purchase modification laws usually don't.
Minus that the supra isn't just sold in the US, which accounting for well under half of gt86s sold is probably going to be well under half of supras sold --- Post updated --- ABS is part of the ECU. Radio and navigation is one headunit. There's a company that makes a spoofing device that satisfies the ECU that the headunit is present. Though have heard the supra and z4 will both be using a denso manufacturered ECU which should be more akin to the gt86 in being remappable rather than crazy locked down, may not be true though.
For purposes of my legality discussion I was mainly referring to the US market. I can't imagine it'll be much easier in Europe though, considering that there you have to recertify after every upgrade instead of on a time schedule... and also, that version of it apparently has to have a particulate filter. A particulate filter on a spark-ignition engine! Does it ever freaking end? Probably should have expected that, though there have been cars where it was a separate module... not entirely sure I don't prefer that way of doing it. That better just be to silence a warning light, because if removing the stereo and navigation affects the vehicle's ability to drive then someone needs a very stern talking to. Rather just be able to replace it with a standalone. (Too bad that's also illegal.)
If they ever try to flat-out ban gasoline (and they will!) we should call our representatives and push for some kind of system wherein enthusiast clubs (open to anyone with a valid driver's license and gas-powered vehicle, subject to club rules potentially restricting the types and ages of vehicles sufficient for club membership) can continue to buy gasoline and use their vehicles on the roads. Domestic oil production would be entirely adequate to satisfy this demand, and the environmental impact would be minimal and could easily be mitigated. As for an outright ban on non-autonomous vehicles... I don't see that happening for at least another century.
