Yeah, every browser has gone to bloated mess route. After all we still read just text which Lynx could deliver just fine, but has to have all sort of scripts etc. running to get as much data as possible from user while providing visual entertainment. I'm so sad about this direction of development in browsers. This is two tabs in one of the recent browsers I have, I use it only for trusted sites that I have to use which don't work with other browsers: This is over 90 tabs in one of quite old browsers I have, which runs only trusted sites: My research browser with 638 tabs tend to get bit memory hungry, it runs few addons that are not even available in some of modern ones which are quite crucial to avoid that nasty site to cause harm, but also has tree view tab, and recover session things and tabs are used as bookmarks, I just save sessions of different research, much more handy than using clumsy bookmarks: This one then is latest of the Firefox breed, I'm using this only on 3 sites very rarely, two tabs open, bloat increases with more recent browser we look at: They are all equally bad (it does not matter which browser engine either just some features are different, bloat remains), considering it's only showing few images and interpreting html that is required. Most of the time I don't do much with CSS, JS and so on, I keep them completely disabled for security reasons, as well as all outside domain requests. Websites are so terribly designed today, humongous scripted monsters that pull data all kind of sites, which many web site builder does not even know what is fetched to browser. Sure makes things easy for one who maintains sites, but constant issues with sites not working randomly in either IE, Firefox, Chrome etc.
Does anybody have any idea how I would use the TDP-down function? I got it working using the power options on my girlfriend's laptop (intel pentium 4415u and achieved over 10 hours of battery life on full screen brightness) and I would also like to create a custom power profile on my i5 5300u ThinkPad x250 for when I'm just using Microsoft Word, in order to reduce power usage. I can't seem to find much on it on the internet.
use throttlestop, go to say profile one, change the TDP limit to something low, say 7w or something like that, click save on throttlestop, then turn on. Should work, and in the settings menu you can rename the profile, up to 4 are allowed.
It's ridiculous how modern Intel chips are, kinda like fast only in theory or tweaked, with stock power limits 6 cores for example is drawing so much power that default power limits cause throttling and in practice 4 or 6 cores after 30 second full load is not that much different as that is 4Ghz or less vs 4.4Ghz in practice. Sure with tweaking one can make throttling go away, but default power limits are way too restrictive, this combined with how most Z370 boards have quite weak VRM (only top of the model range can support extracting full computing power from CPU), it is quite bad. There are also workstation motherboards for AMD that suffer VRM heat issues, so that VRM causes throttling and lower clock speeds are faster than higher ones. It is kinda sad state, but hopefully in a future things will improve, certainly as core counts increase there is need for better overall level of motherboards and CPUs, if computing power is possible to be utilized only short times, there just is no point, overclocked years old hardware being faster or equally fast as modern castrated hardware, that is pathetic.
Well I think the power limits should be more exposed, they are quite good now though tbh. Mobile chips suffer badly with this, eg the 8750H that can power limit to say 30w and that gets you sub 2GHz on all 6 cores!! It's still on 14nm hence not that efficient.. AMD please be our saviour in TSMC 7nm
Well, I hope that they figure out something. After numerous tweaks and changes, I got finally MB to give only 1.065V to CPU when under full load, that keeps power usage nicely below 95W at 4.3Ghz, but these modern Bioses seem to be built so that they practically force too much voltage to be used. I still need to learn how to set voltages manually or set offset manually, this stupid thing is not allowing me to to input anything, manual is not much help, so need to find harder way what is preventing me from setting offset for example. I can set + or - sign and select an offset, but offset itself remains stubborningly grayed out. Can play with LLC and can set typical, worst case or best case current settings, but there is still something. By default even when I choose offset, bios wants to give 1.2-1.3V to CPU under full load at stock clocks, which leads to too high wattages. With laptops, you don't have anything to adjust, so those might use unnecessary high voltages just in case and cause then more throttling that is needed. With GPUs, some are suffering from the same and undervolting might allow intelligent clock adjuster to keep higher clocks without hitting power limits. I'm not sure why they just don't increase power limits, for example my cooler is well capable of dissipating 230W, motherboards have been really crap recent years as they are trying to make boards that barely survive with given TDP, even temporarily TDP can be a lot higher, like 150W. From chip to cooler heat transmission would need to be improved of course, but if chips would be able to run over 5Ghz if not these stupid limits, why not to make it so there is no need for such stupid limits, software development is lagging because of no serious increase in CPU power etc. I miss times when companies did compete with who can make fastest chip.
Yeah VRM cooling has been quite shocking as of late, but realistically 150w is enough for a CPU, performance gains beyond 90w are so low that doubling/trebling the power consumption for a 30%inc in perf is really not worth it.
I went to Microcenter for some electric parts and a cheap heatsink for my model engine build, and the prices there for computer parts are REDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE. Needless to say, I will not be buying from there.
Not sure how good it is, but in the long rung, I'm sure that will get better, but for sure there is quite little gains for now, there are even still many games that are still current and selling well, which are using DX9, even DX11 is pretty much relying on single core, so much that it does require quite bit of work to get graphics cards fully fed by that mostly single core of CPU. It takes few years to software really starting to move over to something that is starting to show gains, but popular games like ETS2 are supposed to stay at DX9 several years. Same time CPUs are finally starting to catch up, but only when multiple cores are not in use, which kinda sucks, with lifting power limits and overclocking CPU one can of course fix the situation. Mostly I see 4.4-4.3Ghz at stock speeds, that is out of 5Ghz, but that did require tweaking settings manually away from default ones for the CPU, lots better than 4Ghz or less which default had, but I wonder how optimized laptops really are.
You're fairly behind then forgetting most AAA titles these days are cross platform and intended to run on Xbox one and PS4, heavily multithreading low single thread performance environments. A number of games are coming out that rely on there being at least 8 threads available. A number are out that rely on it already. Forza 7 and horizon even both have bugs resulting from being run on low core count machines, there's a horrific networking one that even occurs in quad core hyper threaded i7s but not on legitimate 8 physical core machines (or on 6 core hyper threaded machines). Laptops are silicon binned for low voltage operation and also have things like smaller cache and certain bits of the branch predictor and other non essential parts disabled.
Why you are saying such things that you are behind etc. when you could have discussion with higher level without being snarky? Even such older game as JC3 uses 8 threads just fine, yet is single core limited in FPS, however at 60fps thanks to optimization it runs fine, but try 120fps or 144fps and there you see what I mean, but I doubt there is much will to attempt understanding. If you look amount of players on Steam and check those most played games, rather many of them is still ones having single core limits before gtx1080 becomes a limit, no matter how many threads they use, but of course it is easier to ride on impressions and beliefs than try to understand what other persons attempts to say. Idk, I'm just tired of humans for now.
Hmm came up with a concept for a gaming laptop type thing... instead of having to carry it all around, why not build a "shoe-box" PC, then have it connect to your normal laptop through say gigabit ethernet, then use steam inhome streaming, to stream the video across... it works! You don't need to carry around the components everywhere, you still have a laptop with high battery-life and not deafening thermals, and if you gave the shoe-box a good wifi-card, then you could just connect to it using in-home streaming anyway, just plug it in to power somewhere, and away you go! and you still have a laptop, that you can put on your lap! how cool is that, besides it'll make me happy, but i'll wait for AMD Renoir 4th gen APUs for mobile anyway, cos 7nm will help battery life a bit.. Heck you could even do this on a WOA machine (windows on arm).. the possibilities are endless!
true, but then CPU bottlenecks are a thing, and i'd like to have the ability to have 8c on the go with me, through amd ryzen Granted i might not bother with this, if Renoir brings 8c to mobile chips at say 45w, but i'll be surprised.. Just in general, having a shoe-box PC is upgradable also, so eventually i could take out the motherboard and put a different one in, it will fit cos i will just use an mITX motherboard.
yeah, matisse mobile, do you mean APUs (with graphics chips?) since i don't really want a laptop that only has dedicated graphics, that won't really have any appreciable battery runtime.
Really if you go by AMDs definition of APU, almost every intel CPU is also an APU. An AMD APU has a few GPU cores on the same package as the CPU, an intel CPU has a few GPU cores on the same package as the CPU, no difference here. Matisse, the codename for Zen2 based desktop and mobile CPUs.
