Exactly what it says on the tin - this thread is about cars that are generally considered "cool" that you either hate or hate the hype behind. Topping the list for me is the BMW E39 5-series. It does indeed have a lot to recommend it, but, as I recall, this was one of the first mass-production passenger cars, if not actually the first, to have throttle-by-wire. Now cable throttles are pretty much extinct. Thanks, BMW. This car is practically Pandora's Box on wheels. Next are the Tesla Roadster and Tesla Model S. I fully admit that I hate electric cars mainly because I see them as a threat to the continued availability of internal combustion engines in all market segments, but honestly, I can't think of many cars easier to hate. Their target market seems to be made up of obsessed nerds and the fashion-conscious upper middle class left. The sad thing is how many car guys go gaga over cars that make no noise and have only a single forward gear. Next is any Honda or Acura except the NSX and maybe the S2000. I have to admit that I haven't really bothered to find out the truth behind VTEC (does it mean an wider powerband or one that's been artificially softened at low RPM for the benefit of the non-drivers?), but I absolutely hate the hype behind these cars. After that, we have the Subaru Impreza WRX STi. Again, my hate is mainly for the hype here, but from what I've heard the Evo was always the sharper of the two anyway. But the number of Subaru drivers who think "stance" and windows cluttered with (often obscene) stickers are cool is enough to color my perception of everyone who drives these cars. Finally (for now), we have the Toyota Corolla Sport. Thanks to Initial D, everyone now drools over this car and its association with drifting. Also, the people who paint theirs white with black underframe and apply Fujiwara Tofu Shop decals to the right door are beyond sad in my opinion.
Toyota Supra I think my dislike for these is mostly based around the ridiculous hype and fanfoi-ism surrounding them. 90% of the people who like these are 13 and 14 year olds who claim to know everything about cars while they actually know sweet F all. Not saying all supra enthusiasts or 13/14 year olds are idiots, but just generalising. And this overwhelming hype is reflected in the sales figures. The other thing is, I reckon they just look ugly. They seem very fat and puffed up....that rear bumper..... Annnd most of them are fitted with 20 inch chromies aswell as hideous body kits which make the whole car look even worse. R35 GTR Most of the people I have come across who own one are just rich idiots who drive around in it as a status symbol. I've been starting to like them more recently though, I guess its because all the idiots who own the things are selling them so they can buy the latest status symbol, leaving most of the R35's to proper enthusiasts. But I have to admit, they are bloody good cars. Most modern Ferraris and Lambos. (Definitely not the classic ones) Same as R35, driven mostly by people with more money then sense for the purpose of twadling about everywhere at 20 so they can show off. The other thing is, while they may be sporting a bright red paint job and an exotic piece of badge engineering, take all of that off and you are left with what looks like a 90's Celica. Or they go way overboard and make a ghastly abomination like a La Ferrari. Theres more but I cant be bothered. You summed up my opinion of Tesla's perfectly, however I do support the idea of saving more petrol for me to burn long into the future. I love old Corollas and the AE86's in particular, but I agree they are way over hyped and over priced.
I completely agree with you on all the points except Imprezas, I feel like I see about an equal number of poorly modified lancers. The funny thing about those Corollas is that most of the people who want/buy them don't even realize that they have a solid rear axle so you can't stance them(and the types of people who would buy one probably are the kind who would want to have stupid amounts of camber). To add to the list The new beetle In the 90's FWD cars started becoming more and more common, rear engines and aircooled engines had been considered outdated for quite a while, and cars were bland melty blobs and VW was producing a car that had a design that was hardly changed since the 30's and still sold decently but it of course was getting a bit outdated(and safety laws probably got too strict to allow production of them), so VW decided to make a new version with tons of unwanted technology like an FF drivetrain(not sure if that's the proper term) liquid cooling, probably a unibody chassis and much less of it's style... when they already were making a car with all of those things for a similar market. so basically they took away everything that made the beetle what it was and then made it a bland car that vaguely resembles it's former self. At least they chose a decent car to do it in and they are actually using it as a status symbol as opposed to all the people who spend almost as much on new hybrids or electric cars, and just seem like idiots and douchebags without money, same goes for people who buy new low end cars, and unlike people who buy supercars the people who buy new and cheap economy cars normally don't have much money to spare and don't care about having it as a status symbol... which IMO is the only reason to buy a new car. Edit: just thought of another one. R34 skyline Same reason as the OP hates the corolla, it's overhyped. From my limited knowledge I'm pretty sure that the R34 R33, and possibly R32 all have the same engine and the older ones might have been lighter, but most people only care about the R34.
Oh yes, I forgot about the New Beetle. A less powerful (later), less practical, far more embarrassing Golf. How could anyone resist that? As for the Ferraris, I almost put down the 488 GTB, but Ferrari's recent image problems disqualified it from consideration as "cool" in my opinion. Still, I do indeed hate the new supercars; all or almost all of them are flappy-shifter-only and now both Ford and Ferrari have gone over to the Turbo Dark Side. The Nissan GT-R is another car I hate, for the familiar reason of "too much computers". Its theme song could easily be "Domo Arigato, Mr. Roboto" and for that I hate this car, even if it did prove itself somewhat fun in Gran Turismo. When the tail comes out, I want it to be my doing, not a stupid microchip humoring me. One I forgot about is the Mazda Miata. Once again, the hype surrounding this car drives me nuts; I steadfastly refuse to believe that the answer is always Miata, and I don't particularly like it as a car. I wouldn't mind having one, but the NB is the only one I really like the look of; the NA was too cutesy and the NC lost the plot and ended up looking like an NA that ate way too much. The ND or whatever it's called has seemingly attempted to take back some of the things I don't like about the NC, but for some reason I just don't like the way it looks, even though it calls to mind the (not bad-looking at all) BMW Z3. I suppose I don't actually hate the AE86/AE88 that badly, but the Initial D clones and overall obsession with drifting that surrounds this car is quietly annoying. And the camber thing is, indeed, the main disadvantage of a solid rear axle; you can't have negative camber unless you have access to a hydraulic press and you really know what you're doing. As for the Skyline, the R33 and R34 are actually my favorites at least in terms of looks; I don't like the R32 so much. I mean, sure, it's exciting that there are now legally importable Skyline GT-Rs, but just by looking at the R32 it's quite easy to see why Nissan didn't federalize it along with the also-introduced-that-year Z32. It really is quite a stodgy looking car.
I would say the 2009 subaru impreza‚ I was loving the 2005 one‚ but there changes on the design... look very ugly for me...
All the r34 is is this (but as a 2door as google images only comes up with gtr's or ones that have been modded) with quite few (performance exterior things like that) mods here and there. its basically like a school or office desktop that has been modified for gaming. I prefer the older skylines but then that's my personal taste. Me I personally don't have many supposedly cool cars that I dislike except maybe super cars. you can't judge a car until you own it. here is a good description on VTEC Spoiler: VTEC YO!!!! I can agree VTEC is over hyped but it is still kind of cool to have in my eyes because the acronym VTEC sounds awesome. FYI the Honda insight (Honda's answer to the Prius but not as hated) apparently has VTEC in some form. Might this change your view on the Civic? Spoiler: Civics are awsum The AE86 is actually a pretty cool car but I can agree on it being overpriced Drift tax prehaps?
I tend to disagree. R32 is the best looking out of the skylines in my opinion (excluding the Hakosuka of course). A nice, simple somewhat rounded design that has the aggressiveness of the R34 while not featuring that fat boat like appearance of the R33. Also the "rawest" of the GTR's to drive, being the lightest and least computer assisted. RB26's are amazing. New beetle is no longer going to be exported to Aus soon....happily.
Funniest thing about this thread is that more than half the cars mentioned are 'bad' because of what people do to them and not an actual issue with the car itself. Also that 90% of the cars mentioned have never been driven by any of you. To conclude, MIATA IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER
All VW Golfs (exept the Gen IV) All VW Polos All Beetles and alot of the New BMW pretty much all since 2002 there since then just overpriced plastic things with bad quality and weak engines
First off, screw this thread, but I'll stir the pot for fun. You have clearly never driven a miata. As a car it may be "overhyped", but as a SPORTS car it re wrote the entire god dammed book. The whole "cool car" thing is kind of a joke honestly. As for the hondas, sure a lot of people make tasteless modifications to them but I would not make the mistake of calling them over rated. vtec should not be seen as overhyped considering you can find the tech in every Damn modern engine worth mentioning. It's why my 1.6 engine makes the same thrust as a Ford 4 liter v6. The only reason to hate such a great piece of engineering/technology, is because your a ludite. /thread.
mix. VTEC allows switching between 2 cam profiles on the fly. In theory an aggressive high horsepower cam performs crap at lower rpms, so VTEC allows switching to a softer profile that on paper should be capable of generating much more low end torque. In practise, yeah they stick crappy eco cams in, can rev upto 5k or so in eco mode, then power kicks on after that. Its a working system, but could have been so much better. Now we're getting more advanced systems on the market that do more anyway, fiat multiair for example as fully adjustable lift on the fly (plus timing), so much control over valve lift that it doesnt have a throttle body anymore and simply restricts valve lift to act as the throttle instead. --- Post updated --- Very few have VTEC or equivalent...
lmao, didn't want to showboat but it's more satisfying this way. Come talk to me when you've actually driven the cars you're bitching about for no reason. Actually don't, because people like you are people I dislike associating with. I'll be fanging this r35 next week too, so I'll let you know first hand if it's a goddamn "status symbol" even though I know you'd all take this over your mum's beige chevy cobalt any day of the week. I've raced an ep3 in my mx5, and raced my mx5 in an ep3. I won both times I've raced a brz in my mx5, then fanged the brz when my cooling died during the race I've driven a worked hawkeye sti I've driven a 996 911 I've co-owned possibly the cleanest ma61 in australia I've outrun several worked cars in my mx5 through the nasho I've (very carefully) driven an r8 I've lost to a kia cerato in my a4 at the drags I've thrashed an rs265 I've played passenger in a worked ae86 for several months and had many more adventures. I know what I'm about; my job is in the auto industry, I have access to some truly wonderful cars, and I know you're all quite literally prejudiced, idiotic children (save amarks, clayton, 6677). This thread is a disgrace.
I love the STi for it's beautiful looks and agressive sound. I also am not really a fan of the Corolla Sport. It barely has more power than the base, and does not look much different than the base. Not to say that it's ugly, just it can't be considered Sport. And what the truck? How does a FWD car get associated with drifting? That is not a drifting car. This is:
1. The R34 is a generation of Skyline, nothing was wrong about the post you quoted. 2. Ungrateful bitch? Towards someone who has driven more cars than you probably ever will and has literally *just* expressed their gratefulness towards every car? I think you might need to look up the definition of that word.
Wrong corolla. This is the corolla "sport" in question (actually not a corolla sport, its a sprinter)
Vvti, vanos, whatever Nissan calls theirs, Porsche m97 engines have something called variocam plus wich is pretty much vtec. Even alfa romeos had some kind of variable valve timing. Vtec is a win win because the engines do not make less power under 6.5k they make what everyone else makes. 140hp at 6k rpm is normal for a 1.6 or a 1.8 engine considering my Mazda 3 with a 2.3 duratec was rated for 155. The 210hp at 8k is not. The only disadvantage vtec really has is the valve train has more moving parts and is slightly heavier because of the extra rocker arms. Still doesn't stop it from singing all the way to 9500rpm tho. If anyone else has questions or criticism about vtec let's either make a thread dedicated to valve timing and cam switching technologies, or pm me so we don't ruin every thread with this explanation.
