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Discussion in 'Automotive' started by HadACoolName, Mar 6, 2015.
Crunchy. Is that from salted roads?
that and the last owner's trips onto beaches
as well as the avensis being known for rotting here
on my family's old 2001 Focus, when we sold it, the whole rocker panel was basically just gone. bc road salt and age.
I can't even lie, I was drunk as fuck when I did this. Years later I am still very ashamed. I would not argue if you were to say I deserved to go to jail, or die that night.
Don't drink and drive.
Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there, but that looks bad. Speaking of ruined wheels, I know a guy who had a brand new Chevy Volt. Someone drove it off the side of the road, wheels were ruined, he's now got aftermarket wheels and is not very happy.
Because you bought an old Toyota.
My gpa's 1976 dodge dart swinger special. and yes, the odometer works and is correct
Continuing the discussion of "is it fair to refer to the 2-door hard top Bluebuck as a coupe"
Using the modern layman's definition, a coupe is also exactly what it is. While 1963 is certainly well before even my parent's time, I've seen plenty of instances where 1963 2-door hardtops with a sedan roofline are referred to as a "coupe". As far as I can tell the Impala, Grand Prix, and Starfire all were in this boat and officially called coupes (See the below advert where the 2 door Impala hard top, one of the closest counterparts to the 2 door Bluebuck hard top, is referred to as a "coupe"). Ford appears to have been doing the same with at least the Galaxie.
'63 models retained the "Sport Coupè" and "Sport Sedan" naming scheme that debuted with the previous "arched roof" variants despite what once were the "regular" 2dr models being dropped from the Impala range, but rather only available as cheaper Bel Air models - which were still marketed as 2dr Sedans and 2dr Hardtops instead. The Impala was essentially the "sleeker, sportier and more luxurious" variant of the Chevrolet B-Bodies, so it would be pretty much like Mercedes-Benz calling the E-Class platform mate, the CLS, a "4dr Coupè" today. On the other hand, the Oldsmobile Starfire was only available in 2dr guise and it was marketed as a personal luxury coupè, so it would make sense for it to be labeled as such to differentiate it from its siblings.
If anything, it just shows how "Coupè" (and "Sport Coupè", in particular) was only used quite derogatively for higher-end models as a kinda misleading marketing trick. It could be fine for top-end 2dr variants of the Bluebuck, but the "2dr Hardtop" definition was still very much commonplace at the time and it would suit the lower-end versions better, IMO.
I know you're mainly discussing the Bubu here but I am curious about your opinions on the Moonhawk. I always thought of it as more of a B-bodied "muscle car", like the fourth gen Dodge Charger. Like you say it floats between segments with its main issue being size. The official wiki describes it as "midsize" but certainly seems a tad large. A lot of b-bodies already straddled the line between muscle and luxury. With some sort of vinyl roof luxury version, and a muscle version (whether smaller or not) would work fine.
Depending on the era, "muscle car" and "luxury car" were both clumped together as high end trims; I would argue the Moonhawk is one such vehicle as it currently sits. Many people would argue that the term "Muscle car" shouldn't be used at all in the Malaise era. I wouldn't go that far, but the line certainly got blurry. Of course one could argue it can't be a luxury car due to the config selection, but being that this car hasn't been touched in years I'm not considering the official config selection as cannon. It's worth noting in 0.16 it got new proportions that took it closer to being a muscle car.
As for the size... The '73 midsized GM A body was 112" wheelbase, the '75 midsized Chrysler B-Body was 115", and the full sized '63 GM B-Body was 119", so the size is realistic for the class.
KTheMineCraftFan and myself both suggested splitting this car in 2, with Soliad getting a proper personal luxury coupe and Bruckell getting a proper volume/"malaise muscle" car instead of using one car to straddle the line (even if it is realistic for the time, I don't like it). K's post and my post.
like i've said before, I could see them giving the car a really sharp turn in marketing with the '76 facelift, going from primarily sport trims to PLCs.
(This is a time I miss the informative button lol)
I have to agree with you and K there, splitting it into two would covers these classes with the greatest ease; and it does not sacrifice too much realism imo to split them.
Ford Mondeo to be discontinued in March 2022 after 29 years.
Mondeo is a cool sedan
Imo the biggest thing re: the Moonhawk is that its real-life counterparts were introduced right at the start of the oil crisis, and thus the Malaise era. I feel like its transition from mid-tier Muscle to Malaise is fairly well represented, except that the power differences between early and late models don't seem very perceptible to me.
The lower-trim, lower-displacement A-body cars were primarily designed to compete with the economical likes of the VW Beetle :b
Splitting the Moonhawk and whatever boxy Malaise body would succeed it as vehicles would help widen the gap and pad the vehicle selection, but I also think the representation of that transitory period of panic-responding to all the new regulations and restrictions should be kept within the Moonhawk's "ecosystem".
It's surely one of the next vehicles on the chopping block for a remaster, so we'll see what direction they take this one. I know folks are aching for more 2000-2010 era stuff, but I feel a severe lack of big American square boat.
they need to make it in 2023 to have a solid 30 years, and then release a 30 year edition.
I just heard from Donut Media, that the S15 will become road-legal back in 2024! Woo Hoo! I honestly, don't know how I never just, ya know, looked up " When will the Nissan Silvia S15 become road legal in the US?"
that makes me realize the delorean is celebrating its 40th anniversary this year.
also i found out my grandfather on my moms side has an alfa romeo 124 spider with a stick
Updated Mondeo RS to celebrate end of the production?